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@nerdman @dcjogger It's hard to predict what'll happen when the world's largest economy all of a sudden reveals it is insolvent and run by gangsters. It won't be a market-based solution, though. More likely, it'll be deals in which small investors get screwed and big investors acquire lots of (non-financial) wealth.

The USA is a bankrupt warmongering police state.

The US is just waiting for a spark. Someone needs to break the first window. Life is not worth living at this point and the US should be burned down, but a revolution without a target and a goal would be a waste.

Who is the enemy? The elites, the government, the politicians, the Gestapo, and soldiers are obviously the main problems. Someone calls the shots, but who? Who can make a phone call to start a war, raise the debt, ban protests, shut off the Internet, close churches, ban guns, demand warrantless home searches, increase forfeiture, torture, shut the border, open concentration camps, end jury trials, end elections, and nationalize property? Soros?

Americans scream China, North Korea, Iran, or Russia are the enemies, but China, North Korea, Iran, and Russia are not responsible for US wars, debt, and police state.

Muslims, blacks, homosexuals, females, and illegal aliens don't control Wall Street, Hollywood, the media, and the government.

The US needs to break away from Washington, restore the Bill of Rights, end the debt, and end the wars.

Voting cannot save the US now. The globalists have crossed every line. Nothing will be improved by waiting to start the war. A revolution that does not start today will need to be fought tomorrow.

Remember that if you fall, get killed, or get arrested when Civil War 2.0 starts for real, someone will follow you.

The elites might be able to kick the debt can down the road for another 30 more years, but the US should look pretty grim by 2034 when Social Security goes bankrupt.

The globalists say that the economy is booming, but why is homelessness growing?

Do you really think that a record stock market and record debt are just a coincidence?

The ruling class do not want a war, the elites want multiple wars that never end.

The 1% do not just want debt, the ruling powers want a huge national debt.

The elites do not want a little tyranny, the ruling class wants total tyranny.

Nothing will change because Americans are too immoral, degraded, divided, and depraved to resist.

How many Americans would have thought that the Confederate dollar would be worthless in 1865?

How many people in 1931 would have thought that Germany would be reduced to rubble in 14 years?

Americans don't seem to realize that history repeats.

When the US stock market crashes, the government will print more money and will try to aim for negative interest rates. The world market will respond by refusing to buy risky US debt without higher interest rates.

The US government might default on US debt.

Banks will close, the FDIC will not be able to cover bank losses, your ATM card will not work, there will be inflation and wage deflation, companies will close, layoffs will soar, homelessness will rise, the government will raise taxes, there will be bail-ins, cash might be banned, gold might be outlawed, and capital controls.

There will be riots.

Cities will become no go zones.

Instead of opening economic free trade zones, the government might worsen the collapsing economy by nationalizing businesses.

The US government will try to recruit soldiers by raising salaries and accepting ex-cons and illegal aliens. The US government might call on UN troops to restore order.

Concentration camps, gulags, and killing fields will be opened.

US states will try to secede.

A civil war will break out.

The US government will try to distract Americans by starting WWIII with China, Russia, Iran, and North Korea.

What will you do when there is no water, electricity, or Internet?

Every society reaches a breaking point.

The US is finished. Americans need to forget their lives and plans and become obsessive about defending freedom now.

How could you say evil is not coming if the elites are promoting child sex, blood-drinking, eating bugs, abortion, suicide, homosexuality, and cannibalism while installing demon statues?

Wake up.

Patriots can either stay and buy guns, gold, and food or leave for somewhere safer like Chile or New Zealand.

The elites might be able to kick the debt can down the road for another 30 more years, but the US should look pretty grim by 2034 when Social Security goes bankrupt.

The globalists say that the economy is booming, but why is homelessness growing?

Do you really think that a record stock market and record debt are just a coincidence?

The ruling class do not want a war, the elites want multiple wars that never end.

The 1% do not just want debt, the ruling powers want a huge national debt.

The elites do not want a little tyranny, the ruling class wants total tyranny.

Nothing will change because Americans are too immoral, degraded, divided, and depraved to resist.

How many Americans would have thought that the Confederate dollar would be worthless in 1865?

How many people in 1931 would have thought that Germany would be reduced to rubble in 14 years?

Americans don't seem to realize that history repeats.

When the US stock market crashes, the government will print more money and will try to aim for negative interest rates. The world market will respond by refusing to buy risky US debt without higher interest rates.

The US government might default on US debt.

Banks will close, the FDIC will not be able to cover bank losses, your ATM card will not work, there will be inflation and wage deflation, companies will close, layoffs will soar, homelessness will rise, the government will raise taxes, there will be bail-ins, cash might be banned, gold might be outlawed, and capital controls.

There will be riots.

Cities will become no go zones.

Instead of opening economic free trade zones, the government might worsen the collapsing economy by nationalizing businesses.

The US government will try to recruit soldiers by raising salaries and accepting ex-cons and illegal aliens. The US government might call on UN troops to restore order.

Concentration camps, gulags, and killing fields will be opened.

US states will try to secede.

A civil war will break out.

The US government will try to distract Americans by starting WWIII with China, Russia, Iran, and North Korea.

What will you do when there is no water, electricity, or Internet?

Every society reaches a breaking point.

The US is finished. Americans need to forget their lives and plans and become obsessive about defending freedom now.

How could you say evil is not coming if the elites are promoting child sex, blood-drinking, eating bugs, abortion, suicide, homosexuality, and cannibalism while installing demon statues?

Wake up.

Patriots can either stay and buy guns, gold, and food or leave for somewhere safer like Chile or New Zealand.

@LessThan @dcjogger @Scott_Free Zuckerberg doesn't sound like a gentile name, neither does Sergey Brin, forgot the YouTube lady wojciki or something like that also jewish, you should research it, I am running around town and can't give you links right now.

Everything is a lie now.

How can you trust anything?

The government could audit itself and say that their finances are solid.

The government could hire a private accounting firm to audit the books. Auditors that say government finances are good will be rewarded with a lucrative contract. Auditors that say government finances are poor will be threatened with arrest.

How can you be sure Bitcoin is backed by gold?

Can you trust the Euro if member countries don't obey the rules?

Is the gold market rigged? Would gold prices plunge if there is a way to make synthetic gold?

You could buy physical property like guns and real estate, but what about depreciation or deflation? Thieves and the government could steal property.

@TempusThales @Scott_Free @dcjogger True. But it will serve little more than emotional gratification to do so. A better way to spend one's efforts is to prepare for the day when revolution becomes necessary and therefore possible. It'll happen, just not this decade or the next.

@dcjogger That's basically my take, though I might argue particular details. I figure the earliest possible date is late 2030's, but that'll depend on just how irresponsible We The People will be in the next decade or so.

@nerdman @dcjogger And no sign that it won't keep increasing, and an absolute certainty it'll never be paid back. America has doomed itself with its profligacy.

Everything is a lie now.

How can you trust anything?

The government could audit itself and say that their finances are solid.

The government could hire a private accounting firm to audit the books. Auditors that say government finances are good will be rewarded with a lucrative contract. Auditors that say government finances are poor will be threatened with arrest.

How can you be sure Bitcoin is backed by gold?

Can you trust the Euro if member countries don't obey the rules?

Is the gold market rigged? Would gold prices plunge if there is a way to make synthetic gold?

You could buy physical property like guns and real estate, but what about depreciation or deflation? Thieves and the government could steal property.

@billblake2018 @dcjogger It'll be paid back, just with highly devaluated dollars. This is one reason I don't like playing with bonds and stocks. One day it's all going to go to shit and not bounce back. Real estate is where it's at. You can't print more land.

Some say wasting taxpayer money to study how to make bombs in college that will be used to blow up government buildings and then wasting taxpayer money while living in prison would be a faster way to collapse society instead of just wasting taxpayer money living on welfare.

Others would rather cowardly make money and pay taxes that fund tyranny, wars, debt, and illegal aliens.

Others are obessed with how to raise money that can be used to make films, pay for music, start radio stations, magazines, newspapers, and websites that can rapidly educate Americans about the dangers of war, debt, and tyranny.

Others are wondering if they should just dropout, go Galt, and go off the grid and wander the world as nameless and stateless nomads.

Living in a police state changes everything.

What is the meaning of life without freedom?

Do you love the USA?

Does the US deserve to be saved?

Are you just going to sit around waiting to be sent to the ovens?

WTF?

@nerdman @dcjogger Before we even come close to paying it back, our creditors will stop accepting dollars--because they'll know they're worthless and getting even more worthless by the hour. And we'll have nothing else with which to pay our debts. So, no, the debt will not be paid off.

Trouble with land is that, when things get really bad, there's eminent domain. So even real estate isn't a good long term investment. But almost certainly better than stocks and bonds.

Americans scream tyranny makes you safer, but actually the police state actually increases danger.

Now instead of worrying about criminals, you also need to be avoid the Gestapo and terrorist bombings that are a response to tyranny.

Americans do not seem to understand that tyranny leads to having a dictator because everyone who is a danger is killed off.

@billblake2018 @dcjogger Well, if debt is not paid back eventually there will be easing, and eventually high inflation. At that moment people will start getting off the dollar and eventually the whole thing will blow up.

But Keynes did say at least one thing right: "the market can usually remain crazy longer than we can remain solvent", or something ot that effect. Was it even Keynes that said that? IDK.

In any case you always have a few gold coins too. Just in case. And the real estate you don't keep it all concentrated in one place either.
@dcjogger Just a bit over 3k/year for each man, woman and child in the US. Uh-oh.
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