@Humpleupagus @icedquinn @miscbrains > So by consciousness, I probably mean, in context, one akin to human consciousness, which is really the kind of thing you have to experience yourself.
And you can't verify it; you can't be certain another human is conscious, which means you can't be certain whether a machine is or not.
> I one had a decent linguistics professor who told me "to know the name is to forget the thing."
I like this.
> Forgive me, I'm really not trying to be nebulous, but I think you can see the difficulty is using but one part of the phenomena, language, to capture the whole.
Well, yeah, I don't think anyone thinks the Turing Test is the best way to measure consciousness. But what I was getting at is there exists no way to measure consciousness.
A lot of stuff I have to say about AI, Hamming already said better, and with more authority, as he was Hamming. Here are his lectures on AI.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aq_PLEQ9YzIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URp-uq3_T3Q