This is a useful reference: https://tosdr.org/en/service/244

@lightweight

>You waive your right to a class action.

Imagine trusting those TOS

@sheetposter @lightweight TOS are nonbinding. Just because they say "You can't sue us" before doing business with you doesn't mean it's actually true.

@Eris @sheetposter I'm pretty sure that's not the case. I'm pretty sure that if you type "I ACCEPT", it is a legally binding contract. I think, if someone else types "I ACCEPT" on your behalf, you're probably using the software in breach of the EULA and could be sued/blocked/locked out or otherwise censured by the vendor.

@lightweight @sheetposter AFAIK no EULA or TOS has ever been enforced in a courtroom. They are not actual contracts as they are unnegotiable, they mean nothing.

@Eris @sheetposter If that's the case, I wonder why all proprietary vendors go to such lengths (and risk a lot of goodwill) to ensure people accept their EULAs...

@lightweight @sheetposter Because the misperception that they are contracts causes people to comply with them. A TOS is nothing but PR.

@Eris @sheetposter I must say, I'm very skeptical of the idea that they're not legally binding contracts... although it might vary depending on jurisdiction.

@lightweight @sheetposter It's an industrial-scale scam.

@Eris @sheetposter will need to do some more research here in NZ...

@lightweight @sheetposter NZ is a fake country with fake laws.