@Ricotta @applejack @Alex_Linder Well, be the change you want and name the "something" we should be doing.

You want to know why people listen to podcasts and do meetups and say nigger instead of doing something? Because no one has any plausible "something" worth doing. If you came up with that something, TRS would either promote it or lose legitimacy instantly.

@MaceDindu @Ricotta @Alex_Linder @applejack You realize that not all decision making should be done over a public forum, right?

@MaceDindu @Alex_Linder @applejack The Northwest Front was a thing for decades. It folded recently because nobody could be fucked to get off of their asses and actually take meaningful action. The first step was actually moving to the Pacific Northwest, and it acted as a shit test to see who was serious or not. Unfortunately, it was too effective as a shit test since the overwhelming majority of people were too invested in low effort hobby white nationalism to do anything more than make excuses on why they couldn't move. They were comfortable with things that required no personal effort or sacrifice on their own part like listening to a podcast or making a weekend trip to a rally.

Naturally, TRS was strongly opposed to the idea of the Butler Plan.

@Ricotta @Alex_Linder @applejack So that's a lot of words to say "this strategy was ineffective."

@MaceDindu @Alex_Linder @applejack It was ineffective because the hobbyist shit was drawing people away. That's the entire point of shit like TRS. It gives people a way to feel like they're contributing without actually doing anything, and thus prevents action.

@Ricotta

Damn it sure is a shame they couldn't get more people to larp as terrorists and then get arrested by the feds on some plot to do fedposts irl 🙄
@MaceDindu @Alex_Linder @applejack

@Ricotta @MaceDindu @applejack

You fail to accept that Covington's shitty character made his plan unworkable. Beside that, the NW is not a good place compared to other places. He only picked it because he was there, trying unAryanly escape the consequences of just a tiny portion of his always-shitty behavior.

@Alex_Linder @MaceDindu @applejack He didn't pick the PNW. The Butler Plan wasn't his. He moved there after the plan was drafted.

Regardless of your opinion of the guy, the plan would have been solid if it didn't rely on a quality of young white men that doesn't seem to be available in significant numbers anymore.

@Ricotta @MaceDindu @applejack

Butler...yeah ok. I met him once, right before he died. Covington was always a non-starter. I dont think you appreciate just how underhanded and dishonest a scumbag he was.

@Alex_Linder @MaceDindu @applejack I never met the guy and he died well before I really got into the movement, so I'm not particularly interested in his character, or that of Covington's for that matter. The plan itself seemed like the best shot we had at the time, but not even Covington's successor had the balls to carry it out. At this point I don't see it as viable, since nobody has any spine anymore.

A general collapse seems to be more likely than anyone managing to organize anything beyond a small scale in a very local area these days, so geography that would be the most ideal for an independent nation state that splintered off from the US isn't really important anymore.

@Ricotta @MaceDindu @applejack

Yep. These are different circumstances. The intellectual effort these days should be spent in attacking christians and promoting crypto tech. It goes without saying jews should always be attacked, and SJW and conservatives.

Physically, if people arent will to risk a misdemeanor on their record at a rally, then asking for them to do anything greater seems ridiculous. It is funny to see the trumpussies taught the lesson that fake patriots suffer real penalties.

@Alex_Linder @MaceDindu @applejack
>Physically, if people arent will to risk a misdemeanor on their record at a rally, then asking for them to do anything greater seems ridiculous.
That was one of the best things about the Northwest plan. Anyone who wasn't willing to do something major like moving even though it was completely legal and not really much of a disruption to their life in the long run is someone who wouldn't be able to be counted on to throw their comfortable life away and spend the next few years bouncing from safe house to safe house as a guerilla. It's just too bad that it was too effective of a filter for the men we have to work with today.

Of course rallies aren't just misdemeanors anymore. Now attending a rally is about as risky as bombing a Federal building or shooting up a church.

@Ricotta @Alex_Linder @applejack Where in history has a guerilla force done anything against a government where the general condition of the masses was mundane? Where, by and large, the masses were unaware and happy? You're putting the cart before the horse. The white masses are quite put upon these days, but they don't generally understand why. It's not an Irish/English situation: they may feel that the situation's bullshit, but they do not know why. This is the problem. Action against the system has not been effective in propagandistic terms, certainly not relative to the podcasts you're decrying.

@MaceDindu @Alex_Linder @applejack The masses are irrelevant. They're NPCs who don't actively participate and only offer support one way or the other based on which side is winning at the time. The situation in Ireland wasn't that much different. Most people weren't all that invested either way, and the IRA only got support from the general population after they proved that they could hit the Brits and get away with it. The actual combat arm of the IRA was incredibly small. No more than a thousand active troops at any given time.

@Ricotta @Alex_Linder @applejack It was to a considerable extant a religious conflict. The exact religious and political nature isn't the important thing, however: the important thing is tribalism. There's no tribalism uniting US whites. Not politically, not religiously, not racially. That must be fixed before anything else. No progress can be made prior to that first step.

@Ricotta @Alex_Linder @applejack I'll add, as the blatantly tribal attacks on whites grow ever more obvious, the job of awakening tribal consciousness in whites becomes easier. But it remains a battle of narrative control.

@MaceDindu @Alex_Linder @applejack You're missing the part where the average Mick who farmed potatoes, got drunk, and beat his pregnant wife didn't care about anything about living his life. He wasn't fighting. He didn't have a strong opinion one way or another even about the religious shit as long as he could go to mass every Sunday. The masses are irrelevant.

@Ricotta @Alex_Linder @applejack He did have a strong opinion, tho. He viewed the occupation as illegitimate. Therefore, at worst, he wouldn't speak against it. Probably he'd speak in favor of it in casual settings. Maybe he'd fund it. Maybe he'd demonstrate in favor of it. He certainly wouldn't drop dime on his people. He might even go as far as housing fugitives. He'd damn sure never talk to cops.

There's a hell of a lot below "actively taking action" that matters in these sorts of conflicts, and it all lies on broad masses supporting a cause.

@Ricotta @MaceDindu @applejack

What's relevant is the catholic 'rish wouldnt turn in IRA out of fear of consequences. The IRA were serious, as perceived by foe, supporters and public sea. No one fears being shot by white racialists for running to the cops. Until that changes, WN has no chance. Like I say, it's all or nothing. The entire middle tier of politics has been monkeywrenched by sheenies (voting, writing letters, making phone calls). Left only are soft (education) & hard (killing).

@Alex_Linder @Ricotta @applejack See my response. You're putting the cart before the horse. If WN started just killing every "opponent" they'd have no success. Not turning people in is first a product of support, and can be amplified later by intimidation. Niggers don't turn in nigger criminals first and foremost because they're niggers, but the problem becomes worse through intimidation tactics.

@Alex_Linder @MaceDindu @applejack
>Therefore, at worst, he wouldn't speak against it. Probably he'd speak in favor of it in casual settings. Maybe he'd fund it. Maybe he'd demonstrate in favor of it. He certainly wouldn't drop dime on his people. He might even go as far as housing fugitives. He'd damn sure never talk to cops.
The masses only adopted that attitude once the IRA proved that they could reliably achieve victories over the Brits. It would be the same story in the US. Nobody other than people who are already radicalized would support a far-right rebellion until it starts to show that it can defeat ZOG's forces. The moment that happens, ZOG's legitimacy is shattered and the masses low-key support whichever side is locally the strongest.

@Alex_Linder @MaceDindu @applejack Of course this popped up in my notifications as I was clicking the reply icon to the other post, and thus I replied to this one instead.

@Ricotta @Alex_Linder @applejack The masses had that attitude, which is the point. They hated their occupiers. They knew exactly who they were, and they fucking hated them. Maybe they weren't in favor of violence, sure, bu they hated the occupier. After the violence scored some perceived wins, they supported it. But the reason the "wins" were perceived as "wins" is because they hated the occupiers.

That has to be the case for what you're talking about. Whites in the US don't generally view themselves as being an occupied class. That's the problem: they don't even know there's a problem, much less understand the nature and what side they're on.

@MaceDindu @Alex_Linder @applejack You're greatly overestimating the level of political involvement of the average Irishman in 1920. The masses were overwhelmingly more concerned with where their next meal was coming from and how much money they had for beer than they were about the occupation. The US is far more politically radicalized now than Ireland was then.

@Ricotta @Alex_Linder @applejack You're misunderstanding the nature of "political involvement." The issue is public perception. Not action, perception. Perception guides action, not the other way around. Again, like I said, cart before the horse.

@MaceDindu @applejack @Ricotta

Every post you prove what I say: it is useless to talk with middle-class people. Muh perception. Muh narrative. Muh just has to argues betters.

@MaceDindu @applejack @Ricotta

You live in a fantasy world, like all with star wars avatars. How are you going to control perception when the enemy controls TV, which is "the media" and doesnt allow anyone else on it. You cant. So, no, it's not about perception.

@Ricotta @Alex_Linder @applejack Not a single pro-white, and even most pro-whites, didn't perceive what Dylan Roof did as beneficial to whites, for example.

@MaceDindu @Alex_Linder @applejack Roof didn't have a lot of support for his heroic deeds because the majority of people in the country, and even the white nationalist movement, are either actively Christian or culturally Christian, and Christians always put Christianity ahead of race in their hierarchy of identity.

The better comparison would be Tarrant, since even right-leaning normies reacted to that with "It's about goddamned time someone gave those terrorists a taste of their own medicine."

Roof's attack was less effective from an optics perspective because Christians aren't seen as a valid target by the masses, but Muslims are. Roof's attack was more effective strategically though, because it was the event more than anything that got the ball rolling on where we're at now. Everything would be a lot more stable, a lot less volatile, and there would be a lot fewer people woken up to the reality we face and upset about it if not for his visit to a Carolina church.

@Ricotta @Alex_Linder @applejack Sans Trump, I doubt it. "Zion Don" probably created 100,000x more pro-whites than Roof. That's the power of media.

@Ricotta @Alex_Linder @applejack A plan that doesn't take into account the facts at hand is a worthless plan, thus that plan was bad and dumb.

@Ricotta @MaceDindu @Alex_Linder No, they aren't. And do what? What are you doing? You're not doing jack shit compared to them. Almost nobody is

@applejack @MaceDindu @Alex_Linder What I'm doing is not talking about the specifics of my activities on social media, but I can assure you that it's more meaningful than a podcast network.

@Ricotta @applejack @Alex_Linder You don't have to talk about the specifics of what you're doing, you do need to name what you think others should be doing if you want to criticize, though.

What you're doing is akin to walking up to someone digging a ditch and saying, "digging a ditch?! With a shovel?" And when he responds "well, how else am I going to dig a ditch?" You respond, "that's worthless for digging a ditch. DO SOMETHING!"

@Ricotta @MaceDindu @applejack

What we need is an open White Liberation Army. Nothing short of that will do much, altho I fulley support anyone willing to administer the Breivik sanction to our enemies.

The problem with mixing with conservatives, or even talking with middle-class people, is that this is all is simply entertainment to them. The minute it gets real, they will run away. If caught, they will recant. White Nationalism must utterly separate from and oppose all conservs & xtians.

@Alex_Linder @Ricotta @MaceDindu And then what? You make your militia, and then what? Are you going to storm the government or something? Wtf are you going to do? They actually talk about worthwhile action on the show, and that's creating independent communities and spreading ideas, not larping as some "White Liberation Army"

@Alex_Linder @Ricotta @applejack I've already explained why this won't work. We're at the point where feds will arrest nationalist groups that go on a hike for "terrorist training" (I read of this just this morning).

There's no means of doing that, and even if there were, that army wouldn't win.

@MaceDindu @applejack @Ricotta

Well i guess we lose them.

@Alex_Linder @applejack @Ricotta The fact is, we're going to need the fortune of chance. That's the blackpill. In the meantime, luck is preparedness and opportunity. Preparedness means as many redpilled as possible, not dead, not locked up. Opportunity is out of our control.

@MaceDindu @Alex_Linder @applejack It's surprisingly hard for the Feds to arrest an organized group that is actively shooting at them.

@Ricotta @Alex_Linder @applejack To arrest them, maybe. To just kill them all, no.

@MaceDindu @Alex_Linder @applejack Feds are only effective on offense. There's plenty of prior art showing that they're entirely unable to function when the bullets are flying the wrong way.

@MaceDindu @Alex_Linder @Ricotta @applejack

The first step is eliminating racism as the worst crime in America. If you can’t even discuss issues in your day to day IRL life then you’re nowhere.

@MaceDindu @Alex_Linder @Ricotta @applejack

What I would like to see in my lifetime is the ability to discuss things like black criminality and Jewish power in the same nonchalant manner and in any social situation as a sportsball outcome. If we can’t do this it doesn’t matter.

@RightHonourable @Alex_Linder @MaceDindu @applejack
>What I would like to see in my lifetime is the ability to discuss things like black criminality and Jewish power in the same nonchalant manner and in any social situation as a sportsball outcome.
I already do that. Why don't you?

@RightHonourable @MaceDindu @Alex_Linder @Ricotta If you want to do that, creating a platform of shows where people can learn about Jewish power and black criminality would be a good way