@Ricotta @MaceDindu @Alex_Linder So Jews created a right wing network to then just not do enough? Wtf is the criticism there. They're not saying you shouldnt do stuff IRL, in fact they talk about that. I know on one of the sister shows they had the Mannerbund guy

@applejack @MaceDindu @Alex_Linder That's exactly what they did. They want people to think white nationalism is a friendly social club where you and your friends meet up to drink beer and say nigger. They want you to do that, because doing that isn't a threat. White men getting up and actually doing something is what they don't want to see, and that's what shit like TRS is intended to prevent.

@Ricotta @applejack @Alex_Linder Well, be the change you want and name the "something" we should be doing.

You want to know why people listen to podcasts and do meetups and say nigger instead of doing something? Because no one has any plausible "something" worth doing. If you came up with that something, TRS would either promote it or lose legitimacy instantly.

@MaceDindu @Alex_Linder @applejack The Northwest Front was a thing for decades. It folded recently because nobody could be fucked to get off of their asses and actually take meaningful action. The first step was actually moving to the Pacific Northwest, and it acted as a shit test to see who was serious or not. Unfortunately, it was too effective as a shit test since the overwhelming majority of people were too invested in low effort hobby white nationalism to do anything more than make excuses on why they couldn't move. They were comfortable with things that required no personal effort or sacrifice on their own part like listening to a podcast or making a weekend trip to a rally.

Naturally, TRS was strongly opposed to the idea of the Butler Plan.

@Ricotta @MaceDindu @applejack

You fail to accept that Covington's shitty character made his plan unworkable. Beside that, the NW is not a good place compared to other places. He only picked it because he was there, trying unAryanly escape the consequences of just a tiny portion of his always-shitty behavior.

@Alex_Linder @MaceDindu @applejack He didn't pick the PNW. The Butler Plan wasn't his. He moved there after the plan was drafted.

Regardless of your opinion of the guy, the plan would have been solid if it didn't rely on a quality of young white men that doesn't seem to be available in significant numbers anymore.

@Ricotta @MaceDindu @applejack

Butler...yeah ok. I met him once, right before he died. Covington was always a non-starter. I dont think you appreciate just how underhanded and dishonest a scumbag he was.

@Alex_Linder @MaceDindu @applejack I never met the guy and he died well before I really got into the movement, so I'm not particularly interested in his character, or that of Covington's for that matter. The plan itself seemed like the best shot we had at the time, but not even Covington's successor had the balls to carry it out. At this point I don't see it as viable, since nobody has any spine anymore.

A general collapse seems to be more likely than anyone managing to organize anything beyond a small scale in a very local area these days, so geography that would be the most ideal for an independent nation state that splintered off from the US isn't really important anymore.

@Ricotta @MaceDindu @applejack

Yep. These are different circumstances. The intellectual effort these days should be spent in attacking christians and promoting crypto tech. It goes without saying jews should always be attacked, and SJW and conservatives.

Physically, if people arent will to risk a misdemeanor on their record at a rally, then asking for them to do anything greater seems ridiculous. It is funny to see the trumpussies taught the lesson that fake patriots suffer real penalties.

@Alex_Linder @MaceDindu @applejack
>Physically, if people arent will to risk a misdemeanor on their record at a rally, then asking for them to do anything greater seems ridiculous.
That was one of the best things about the Northwest plan. Anyone who wasn't willing to do something major like moving even though it was completely legal and not really much of a disruption to their life in the long run is someone who wouldn't be able to be counted on to throw their comfortable life away and spend the next few years bouncing from safe house to safe house as a guerilla. It's just too bad that it was too effective of a filter for the men we have to work with today.

Of course rallies aren't just misdemeanors anymore. Now attending a rally is about as risky as bombing a Federal building or shooting up a church.

@Ricotta @Alex_Linder @applejack Where in history has a guerilla force done anything against a government where the general condition of the masses was mundane? Where, by and large, the masses were unaware and happy? You're putting the cart before the horse. The white masses are quite put upon these days, but they don't generally understand why. It's not an Irish/English situation: they may feel that the situation's bullshit, but they do not know why. This is the problem. Action against the system has not been effective in propagandistic terms, certainly not relative to the podcasts you're decrying.

@MaceDindu @Alex_Linder @applejack The masses are irrelevant. They're NPCs who don't actively participate and only offer support one way or the other based on which side is winning at the time. The situation in Ireland wasn't that much different. Most people weren't all that invested either way, and the IRA only got support from the general population after they proved that they could hit the Brits and get away with it. The actual combat arm of the IRA was incredibly small. No more than a thousand active troops at any given time.

@Ricotta @Alex_Linder @applejack It was to a considerable extant a religious conflict. The exact religious and political nature isn't the important thing, however: the important thing is tribalism. There's no tribalism uniting US whites. Not politically, not religiously, not racially. That must be fixed before anything else. No progress can be made prior to that first step.

@MaceDindu @Alex_Linder @applejack You're missing the part where the average Mick who farmed potatoes, got drunk, and beat his pregnant wife didn't care about anything about living his life. He wasn't fighting. He didn't have a strong opinion one way or another even about the religious shit as long as he could go to mass every Sunday. The masses are irrelevant.

@Ricotta @MaceDindu @applejack

What's relevant is the catholic 'rish wouldnt turn in IRA out of fear of consequences. The IRA were serious, as perceived by foe, supporters and public sea. No one fears being shot by white racialists for running to the cops. Until that changes, WN has no chance. Like I say, it's all or nothing. The entire middle tier of politics has been monkeywrenched by sheenies (voting, writing letters, making phone calls). Left only are soft (education) & hard (killing).

@Alex_Linder @MaceDindu @applejack
>Therefore, at worst, he wouldn't speak against it. Probably he'd speak in favor of it in casual settings. Maybe he'd fund it. Maybe he'd demonstrate in favor of it. He certainly wouldn't drop dime on his people. He might even go as far as housing fugitives. He'd damn sure never talk to cops.
The masses only adopted that attitude once the IRA proved that they could reliably achieve victories over the Brits. It would be the same story in the US. Nobody other than people who are already radicalized would support a far-right rebellion until it starts to show that it can defeat ZOG's forces. The moment that happens, ZOG's legitimacy is shattered and the masses low-key support whichever side is locally the strongest.

@Ricotta @Alex_Linder @applejack The masses had that attitude, which is the point. They hated their occupiers. They knew exactly who they were, and they fucking hated them. Maybe they weren't in favor of violence, sure, bu they hated the occupier. After the violence scored some perceived wins, they supported it. But the reason the "wins" were perceived as "wins" is because they hated the occupiers.

That has to be the case for what you're talking about. Whites in the US don't generally view themselves as being an occupied class. That's the problem: they don't even know there's a problem, much less understand the nature and what side they're on.

@Ricotta @Alex_Linder @applejack Not a single pro-white, and even most pro-whites, didn't perceive what Dylan Roof did as beneficial to whites, for example.

@MaceDindu @Alex_Linder @applejack Roof didn't have a lot of support for his heroic deeds because the majority of people in the country, and even the white nationalist movement, are either actively Christian or culturally Christian, and Christians always put Christianity ahead of race in their hierarchy of identity.

The better comparison would be Tarrant, since even right-leaning normies reacted to that with "It's about goddamned time someone gave those terrorists a taste of their own medicine."

Roof's attack was less effective from an optics perspective because Christians aren't seen as a valid target by the masses, but Muslims are. Roof's attack was more effective strategically though, because it was the event more than anything that got the ball rolling on where we're at now. Everything would be a lot more stable, a lot less volatile, and there would be a lot fewer people woken up to the reality we face and upset about it if not for his visit to a Carolina church.

@Ricotta @Alex_Linder @applejack Sans Trump, I doubt it. "Zion Don" probably created 100,000x more pro-whites than Roof. That's the power of media.

@MaceDindu @Alex_Linder @applejack Trump never would have happened without Roof. Roof's actions directly started the woke nigger uprising and attack on everything even remotely connected to white history.

@Ricotta @Alex_Linder @applejack Accelerated. It's impossible to say if the strategy would have worked without it. In any case, your argument is simple accelerationsim. And the benefits hinge on a Trump.

Either way, you implicitly concede that nothing can be done without first bringing the white masses on side. That's the issue.

@MaceDindu @Alex_Linder @applejack Whites will fall in line the moment white militants have shattered ZOG's monopoly on violence and there are actual physical consequences for being anti-white. You're the one putting the cart before the horse, because the masses will not support losers. They simply fall in line behind whoever is in a strong position and don't have any strong opinions of their own. We have to start winning before we can expect support.

@Ricotta @MaceDindu @applejack

exactly. "eating makes appetite." who joins a cause that never strikes a blow?

we win all the arguments, we get deplatformed.

we vote for Trump, they rig the election.

what's left?

it's pretty clear.

@Alex_Linder @Ricotta @applejack

"who joins a cause that never strikes a blow?"

Logically, people who joined such organizations before they struck a blow? Is your claim that all organizations started as a single man "striking a blow?" Otherwise, this assertion is meaningless. Maybe jews will come up with some new story, but as far as I'm aware, Hitler didn't start the NSDAP by 'striking a blow.'

@MaceDindu @Alex_Linder @applejack Striking a blow is exactly how Hitler started the NSDAP. Commies were beating up anyone who opposed them, and Hitler and the first members of the party that they created before it became the NSDAP went out and kicked the shit out of those very same commies. That showed that they were winners, and many more people flocked in and they eventually absorbed other similar parties to form the NSDAP we knew.

@Ricotta @MaceDindu @applejack

he says this in Mein Kampf. first, he prevented his party from becoming a conservative debating society. then, when he was violently opposed by commies -- right off the bat -- his men fought back and usually won.

he didnt sit there with a fag avatard of noseferatu and talk about "persuading" people until these tepids, these middleclass women-men were won over for a few seconds. "the masses" by definition cant matter. they're a MASS. the active minority matters.

@Alex_Linder @Ricotta @applejack Read it again. The fighting was relatively incidental compared with the war he waged on media, in circumstatnces obviously more favorable to ours.

As for the "fighting commies" portion, what do you suppose his senetnce would be had he tried similar in the current US?

@MaceDindu @Alex_Linder @applejack
>As for the "fighting commies" portion, what do you suppose his senetnce would be had he tried similar in the current US?
What makes you assume that his men would allow him to be arrested? If Hitler were an American in the modern day, I can assure you that complying with the authorities would not be in the cards.

Here's a protip: The cops can easily arrest or kill one man, even if he's armed. They cannot so easily do it when he has ten armed friends backing him up. It's completely out of the question when he has a hundred.

@Ricotta @Alex_Linder @applejack

>What makes you assume that his men would allow him to be arrested? If Hitler were an American in the modern day, I can assure you that complying with the authorities would not be in the cards.

Well, that's nuts. Are you saying you think the USG ZOG is less able than the Weimar government? They'd catch and waterboard you all, and they'd sentence you to 80 years plus life.

>Here's a protip: The cops can easily arrest or kill one man, even if he's armed. They cannot so easily do it when he has ten armed friends backing him up. It's completely out of the question when he has a hundred.

Here's a pro-tip. If you kill a cop, or worse still, a fed, they will not only find you and put you in prison for life, they will also make a point of destroying the lives of friends and family of yours.

@MaceDindu @Alex_Linder @applejack
>Are you saying you think the USG ZOG is less able than the Weimar government?
Yes. ZOG relies entirely on intimidation and compliance. They have little to no experience or ability to deal with organized resistance.

>Here's a pro-tip. If you kill a cop, or worse still, a fed, they will not only find you and put you in prison for life
Not if you keep shooting them.

@Ricotta @Alex_Linder @applejack
>Yes. ZOG relies entirely on intimidation and compliance. They have little to no experience or ability to deal with organized resistance.

Hence their massive track record of shutting down organized resistance.

>Not if you keep shooting them.

For example?

@MaceDindu @Alex_Linder @applejack
>For example?
Mexico.

@Ricotta @Alex_Linder @applejack Explain how that's relevant to our situation.

@MaceDindu @Alex_Linder @applejack The Mexican government has no monopoly on violence and its police are incredibly ineffective at dealing with armed groups, because if they try they'll be shot and so will the their families and the politicians who ordered it. Such a status quo could be easily established here if radicalized white men stopped listening to crypto Jews on the internet and started actually doing something.

Every one of our enemies has a name and an address, and most people on both sides seem to forget that.

@Ricotta @Alex_Linder @applejack The Mexidan government has been a joke for its entire existence. It's not comparable to our situation.

@MaceDindu @Alex_Linder @applejack The Mexican government hasn't always been a joke, but it has been in recent history because the Mexican people refuse to be governed. We could learn a lot from the Mexicans, both in Mexico and the US. You'll notice that the Mexicans aren't putting up with any nigger's bullshit in their neighborhoods, and are actively driving them out. See https://abcnews.go.com/US/latino-gang-charged-racial-cleansing-california-town/story?id=13794815 for an example.

Another, more notable example is south-central Los Angeles, and specifically Compton. You probably associate those areas with niggers thanks to NWA and popular movies from the 90s, but since the 90s the Mexicans have forced the niggers out and that area is almost entirely Hispanic now.

@Ricotta @MaceDindu @Alex_Linder "Just have everyone rebel" isn't much of a plan unless you can say how. Any talk in any media is shut down and in many countries gets you arrested. Mike went through a lot of trouble fighting that to make a media network where people can engage with these ideas