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@miria A marriage is a contract. Should you not enforce contracts?

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@miria I don't think anyone is counting shotgun weddings

@miria >agree to get married
>can't be a whore no more
>WHERE IS MY FREEDOM??

???

@applejack @miria contracts under anarchism fail on a conceptual level. who's gonna enforce anything. also

> whore
> non monogamous

imagine reducing yourself to 1 bitch lmfao. couldn't be me
@tsumi @applejack Probably the same people who enforce the not-age-of-consent-laws (the person on the tweet claims to not support age of consent laws)

@tsumi @miria Market oriented anarchists want them enforced somehow

Contracts are always conceptual. You need violence to enforce them

@applejack @tsumi >Contracts are always conceptual. You need violence to enforce them
That's not true. You can refuse to provide goods and services to someone who doesn't follow contracts.

@miria @tsumi Then you're refusing to make a new contract because the previous one wasn't enforced, like I said. And this isn't a lasting strategy either

@applejack @tsumi You're changing the subject. You said you need violence to enforce contratcts. I said that's not true.

@miria @tsumi You made a scenario where the contract wasn't enforced

@applejack @tsumi Fair enough. In any case, you don't need actual force to make contracts work. We've had that figured out for thousands of years.

@miria @tsumi Any interaction that isn't based on some kind of altruism like family and friends is based on some tangible threat of violence

And even a lot of altruism has roots in tangible threats of violence. Mutualism, including contracts, evolved because violence is more costly than just being nice if the other party can dish it back

If you stop being violent, it becomes an unstable strategy and the people that are willing to use violence win

@tsumi @miria Compared to non-market anarchists that just want nothing done and magically it works out

>crime just wont happen
>we'll just be nice and share
>we'll have no hierarchy but enforce the majority wants somehow
>power rules don't exist and you can't use a power asymmetry to gain more power, so this is stable

This is the peak of communist ideology (the most delusional pipe-dream imaginable)

@applejack @miria

I don't give a shit about what you say you're a politically illiterate, historically uneducated and anthropologically disinformed rightoid just like most right wingers.

"communism doesn't work"

it would but socialism has failed everytime to imperialist fucklords intervening because they'd otherwise lose their power. argue with someone in your league, I'm miles above you.
@applejack That's literally a restriction of autonomy, whether you think it's justified or not

@miria So is self-defence. But here it's literally agreed to

>wdym I'm not allowed to put my fist in the place where your face is?

@miria And? Even the guy you're replying to is going to get how this works, so I don't get what's the point

Autonomy can be mutually exclusive. If I can't punch you in the face, I'm restricted, and if I can punch you in the face, you're restricted

If you want to go autistic and say violence against you isn't restrictive, rephrase is so it's about being forced into a cage or something

@miria Actually, we can even extend this farther. If I do not give you a hammer, your autonomy to hammer in nails is restricted

Gravity is restricting your autonomy to fly

You can go pretty retarded with this

@applejack You go argue about it with the other guy since I don't value autonomy over everything like this

@miria I'm pretty sure he agrees that protecting autonomy sometimes means limiting it, like self defence

@applejack Protecting an individual person's autonomy never means limiting it

@miria Do you raise a child's autonomy by allowing it to drink bleach? I feel like dying makes you less autonomous

@applejack >Even the guy you're replying to is going to get how this works
Actually no, they don't
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