I don't feel as strongly about quote posts as I did in 2018. Personally, I am not a fan, but there is clearly a lot of demand for it. We're considering it.

If we did do it we'd like to make it something you can opt out of, in a similar way to how we plan to allow disabling replies. It's not entirely trivial.

@Gargron I think any form of quote toot would kneecap the platform's appeal to me. On the one hand you've got the timeline filling up with posts from like, parlor.toot because some well meaning doofus wanted to quote it and get their dunks in, on the other hand if you can toggle it off, you miss good people using it to hype up other good people with glowing reviews or recommendations.

Just let your boost be boost and toot be toot.

No, I think quote posts are important. People use them, whether it makes sense that they do doesn't matter. It's something social media has evolved to use and there's a demand to it. Whenever I introduce Mastodon to people from Twitter it's among the first things they notice to be missing.

I think it's important, simply because people use it, whether I like it doesn't matter.

@Erik @Gargron QuoteTweet is primarily used as a tool of the extreme right to bait other users into spreading their views by quoting it with some sort of pithy rebuttal, with the end result that the baiting account gains higher visibility on timelines. Removal of QT is a safety feature, especially on Masto, unless the devs want to get aggressive about cutting off instances devoted to right wing and fascist ideals

This isn't even true or a statistic, this is just your opinion. I know a million far left and communist people on Twitter who'd use quote tweets.... This is such an odd point to make.

Additionally: it has a good reason to exist. If you want to show a post with your added comment without commenting it. A quote post would be showed on your main timeline, a comment only if you look under 'comments'.

If you want to show off a post by, for example, someone you disagree with, wanting their statement to be shown with your added comment, then you wouldn't repost it, that is literally boosting it.

Remember when Elon Musk made so many anti-Free Speech actions on Twitter? People quote retweeted the 'I wouldn't even ban my worst enemies' quote in which he claimed he'd never ban the ElonJet account or ban journalists.

These posts by Musk were months old, still, would you want to boost them? Would you want to reply to them months after the post was made? Idk. I think Quote Posts very much have a reason to exist. Showing off someone else's post whilst making it clear you disagree with them or bringing up older statements that contradict newer ones, etc.

Quote Posts are important and here to stay.

@Erik @Gargron Screenshots are every bit as effective without bringing increased prominence to the account

Oh no, why would you say this?

@Erik @Gargron And those can be reported. But the extra two or three steps provide enough buffer, by being slightly less convenient, to prevent knee jerk QTs that serve to spread vitriol, or to prevent pile-ons from being quoted by a popular user.

but how are specifically QTs creating "pile ons" for being quoted by a popular user, wouldn't the same happen if they were to boost you?

I do not see how everything on social media, including boosts, comments, etc. is fine, but specifically QTs spread vitriol and cause pile-ons. If I were to just comment and make a gnarly bad-faith reply as a popular user, everyone who follows me would be notified, see my comment, then be able to trash on the original poster. I see no difference to that and the same happening but as a quote post.

I like quote posts, I specifically ditched Mastodon for a software that allows quote posts (Rebased). I think Mastodon should add quote posts to reach admins and users like me.

@Erik @Gargron because a boost implies endorsement of the original post, while a quote does not necessarily - the additional steps of either linking to and clicking through a post, or screenshot, crop, attach, and post, are a natural barrier to knee jerk reactions that are more effective than Twitter 's scolding pop-up.

And as you demonstrate, a bad faith admin with a bad faith instance can do whatever it wants on Masto, but at least a barrier of inconveniences exists

@Erik @Gargron Currently the site is usable without a 40,000 account long Blocklist, but that changes the more "twitter-like" it becomes

I don’t get your point of me demonstrating a bad faith admin. What have I done in bad faith, I seriously just laid out all arguments for quote posting and you disagreed with them.

Additionally you argued that quote posts are something inherently by or for the “extreme right” which is just plain wrong.

I do not see how a comment does not do the same thing as a quote post in the sense you are criticizing and you have so far not responded to that argument at all.

All you’ve said is that a boost endorses, which I fully agree with, and that a quote does not. That is precisely the reason I would want quote posts. I can show off someone else’s post, give my added piece of information, opinion, etc. to it, without having people think I agree with that statement.

Commenting on a year old post would be weird.

Saying “In light of recent events, I’d like to remind all of you that Elon Musk also said this” is possibly the best reason for quote posts.

A screenshot, again, can be faked and often reports do nothing (think of the amount of times Joe Rogan believed a fake screenshot on his cesspool/podcast of misinformation).

Additionally, I do not see your point with the blocklists at all. You’re arguing the more twitter-like Mastodon becomes the more you will need a blocklist? So, adding any feature Twitter once had/has (like Twitter spaces or their chronological timeline) will lead to you needing a stricter / longer blocklist? I just do not get that argument.