If wanderer thinks an obliterated sandwich bag cloud is going to stop my relativistic dust, he’s got another thing coming.

@Griffith let me guess. More dust for my defensive cloud?

@WandererUber how’s it going to hit the dust mote. It’s a cloud in space created by a gigantic explosion.

@Griffith https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mean_free_path

@WandererUber if you’re assuming the evaporated particles will get in the way because the dust mote will explode on the first particle it touches, I’d like to remind you how hot space explosions near the speed of light are.

@Griffith >whether or not something will explode on contact with a particle (discrete) depends on temperature (ensemble property)
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bro does not know his physics

@WandererUber you’re ignoring the very obvious fact it could just not hit a particle

@Griffith mean free path length of ISM without even putting the saran wrap there is so dense you could fire trillions of these and not get through. each one that doesn't get through makes it worse for the others.

@WandererUber mean free path varies from an atomic unit to a light year. You have no idea what the space fart does.

@Griffith >AU means atomic unit
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@WandererUber Doesn't change the point.

@Griffith there is no point you're just embarrassing yourself
I can slow walk you through it though:
I brought it up to show you that even if there were no defenses, you would in the worst reasonable case (ISM fixed at 1 light year MFP, no density changes) lose half your munitions after traveling a quarter of the distance (assuming 4 light years, roughly the distance to the nearest star). If they just disappeared with a pop, which they don't you have about 6% remaining before even getting to the heliopause.
They don't disappear though, they make more dust on explosion. which further worsens your chances.

@WandererUber It's one small mistake, but you can't deny that the chain reaction would blow apart the cloud. The object doesn't disappear and the cloud doesn't stay intact.

@Griffith >I don't know what an ensemble is
>I have no conception of the scale of things involved
>not understanding that I lost 95% of my munitions before contact
>a small mistake
Right. Aside from that:
Blow apart to where?
Either you are within the time scale of the explosive front, then you hit it and are destroyed, or you come after it, at which point you have created more dust in space. It's a bit of a stretch to think that it just "blows everything away" and clears your path. The ions traveling your direction alone would shred your oncoming munitions. But I'm getting too far into the weeds with someone who can't tell an electrode from an electron

@WandererUber I didn't address the ensemble because it didn't matter. You want to get reddit points for being smart. You didn't come up with space fart first because you weren't thinking about those kinds of things.
If your critique is "things can't move fast in space without blowing up," fine, but if you think a near-relativistic collision isn't going to blow away a cloud, you're completely delusional.
All this coming from someone who was complaining about the scope of thought experiments a moment ago.

@Griffith >I have deliberately entered a discussion that requires physics knowledge without having any and tried to lecture others about science
>After being called out, I will now change my stance to "science is reddit actually"
Hmm.. Who's Space Israel now?

>you think a near-relativistic collision isn't going to blow away a cloud, you're completely delusional.
I never said this. You think I've said this because you can't wrap your head around what's actually going on at those speeds and densities.
You have some very very vague idea of what you think your dust motes are doing and you know you can't specify the actual proposal further because it would be shot down.
To give an example:
If you fired them in a tight beam, you would annihilate the motes behind the first ones with the blast waves from the explosions, causing a chain reaction. So you know you can't say that.
If they are spread out, the explosion can't "blow away" the obstacles, because you haven't hit anything there. So you can't say that.
Therefore, you say nothing and hide behind vague statements and then imply I would disagree with them.


>You didn't come up with space fart first because you weren't thinking about those kinds of things.
If you mean I wasn't first to bring up hitting the interstellar gas, that's just wrong.
If you mean I didn't think of this before we started talking, I don't see your point.
If you mean I didn't call a relativistic particle hitting a gas cloud a "space fart" I think it just shows how ridiculous it is for *you* to call others redditors

@WandererUber You just want to get cheap owns without addressing the topic or even having fun with it.

>If you fired them in a tight beam, you would annihilate the motes behind the first ones with the blast waves from the explosions, causing a chain reaction. So you know you can't say that.
You don't have to hit the blast wave nigga. Inverse-square law is still a thing.
Again, if you're argument is just that nothing can move fast in space, fine, but I'm going to work with the assumption it can or we shouldn't have discussed this to begin with.

>If you mean I didn't call a relativistic particle hitting a gas cloud a "space fart" I think it just shows how ridiculous it is for *you* to call others redditors
Nigga doesn't know or want to have fun

@Griffith >You just want to get cheap owns
look at the subpoaster talking

I *AM* having fun with it.

>You don't have to hit the blast wave nigga
You don't *have* to hit anything on the way either. Once again, MFP. But when you do, the blast wave is more dense, which lowers your chances. If you trigger another one, it lowers your chances further.

>Again, if you're argument is just that nothing can move fast in space, fine
you said this before? sorry I didn't realize. No this is not my argument. My argument is that dust motes have a different set of problems to deal with, and I remembered the vacuum scoop thing the second we started having this discussion, which then made me think of the ism maybe making this impossible even without the saran wrap.

>If you don't make fart jokes constantly you are a big doodoo head who doesn't know how to have fun
You were the one who brought reddit into this, and look who made the Rick&Morty ass fart jokes! You brought this on yourself

@WandererUber fart jokes aren't reddit, they're fun.
Literally a blast of hot air.

@WandererUber All I'm saying is there's one person here who's insecure about being reddit.

@Griffith yeah, you. that's why you double-texted
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@WandererUber You brought it up twice.
I'm just reminding you.

@Griffith you literally brought it up three times yourself what the hell are you talking about

@WandererUber You were clearly offended by it, since you decided to call fart jokes reddit after enjoying calling it space farts in the other thread.

@Griffith >after enjoying calling it space farts in the other thread
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@WandererUber Don't tell me you didn't enjoy calling it space farts and saran wrap in the other thread. I'm not going to hear any lies, redditor.

@Griffith I think you're out of your depth on the physics of it all (have been for a while, but you've realized it now) so you keep trying to rope me into some faggy social game at this point or whatever the hell this is.

I never once said "space fart", even if I did I wouldn't care because I wasn't even the one to complain about anything being reddit.
You're the only guy who brought this up and I merely pointed out that you turned space talk into a fart joke which would be the epitome of reddit humor. You're just a hypocrite. And wrong.

@WandererUber Okay buddy, happy internet award.

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