Alyx Hinata 🇹🇩🚫💀 @alyx@gameliberty.club

@VD15
I kinda wished this was a real ad.

@Eris @critical @NEETzsche @Samhydeigger @Tepid_Tapir
Dude, I said from the second post that I think that this discussion could not proceed any further. You're the one that kept poking
Next time someone says something like that, just respond: "well that's a shame, goodbye".

@Eris @critical @NEETzsche @Samhydeigger @Tepid_Tapir
And what if I don't?

@Eris @critical @NEETzsche @Samhydeigger @Tepid_Tapir
See, I'm not sure if I would.

@Eris @critical @NEETzsche @Samhydeigger @Tepid_Tapir
Question: if I didn't even have feelings, would you call me a person?

@critical @NEETzsche @Eris @Samhydeigger @Tepid_Tapir
I just went with soccer precisely to avoid that problem. I guess I could have gone with basketball instead, but I like that sport even less.

@Eris @critical @NEETzsche @Samhydeigger @Tepid_Tapir
Maybe. But it doesn't change the fact that my goals are different.

@critical @NEETzsche @Eris @Samhydeigger @Tepid_Tapir
Friendly advice, learn to ignore such things. It doesn't help conversations to point out ad hominem attacks each and every time you've been called a murderer for instance.

@Eris @critical @NEETzsche @Samhydeigger @Tepid_Tapir
Your predefined goals. I can still have my separate goal.
If I want to play soccer with the goal to try touching the ball with my hand as many times as possible, I can do that and completely ignore the predefined goals of the game of soccer.

@Eris @critical @NEETzsche @Samhydeigger @Tepid_Tapir
You fail at the most basic biological facts, and you want to argue abortion? Really?!

@Eris @critical @NEETzsche @Samhydeigger @Tepid_Tapir
Your goal is your goal, my goal is mine. They can be very different things.

@Eris @critical @NEETzsche @Samhydeigger @Tepid_Tapir
Mutations ARE in a biological entity's nature.

@Eris @critical @NEETzsche @Samhydeigger @Tepid_Tapir
Please don't state what my goals were for me. You're not a mind reader. You tried it a few times already, and failed miserably each and every time.

@Eris @critical @NEETzsche @Samhydeigger @Tepid_Tapir
False. A mutation is natural. It might not be a good natural occurrence, but it's still part of how nature works.

>less precision is better
God bless fedi for these awesome takes.

@Eris @critical @NEETzsche @Samhydeigger @Tepid_Tapir
I'll give you a hint, and let you think it out yourself: what changes between a human being 100% healthy, alive, whatever, and the very same human being brain dead.

@Eris @critical @NEETzsche @Samhydeigger @Tepid_Tapir
>Okay? Does the quantity matter?
It shows that the words chosen are imprecise enough and inadequate for the abortion discussion.
>I would call a set of "siamese twins" one person, not two
Except they're two persons. Even Siamese twins that are joined at their head/brain region have 2 clear distinct minds, with distinct personalities and so on. They are 2 people.
>And for some reason we are all supposed to shift to using your language instead of you accommodating us
You don't have to do anything. I merely probed to see if our definitions are the same, or at least close enough. They aren't. I think we can agree on that. As such I stated that the conversation cannot continue to the abortion topic because we'd be starting from different premises due to our different definitions. You're the one insisting to still have the discussion and making me accommodate to your definitions.

@Tepid_Tapir @critical @NEETzsche @Eris @Samhydeigger
Can it be mine?

@critical @NEETzsche @Eris @Samhydeigger @Tepid_Tapir
In my view there is a period of time when a fetus can be called human and yet not a person.

@Tepid_Tapir @critical @NEETzsche @Eris @Samhydeigger
Here's why your definition is faulty: someone that died very recently still has most of the cells in his body alive. There is more "human life" in them than a freshly fertilized embryo. And excluding Siamese twins is just... wow... I don't even know what to say to that. I'm utterly confused tbh. The more I read that sentence, the less I understand what you mean to say.

This is why I fall back to personhood. The person element goes away when they die and Siamese twins can still be 2 distinct persons.

Another thing that confuses me: "one that has genetic code working autonomously". A fetus is anything but autonomous. For most of the 9 months, it simply cannot be autonomous if it ends up out of the womb through some form of premature birth. Even if you're talking just about DNA strands replicating by themselves, they're still not autonomous, as they require material from the body/fetus to do so, so it still requires the body/fetus to be autonomous itself. I can only assume you meant something different by "autonomous".

>Would you consider a retarded horse a horse?
Yes. A retarded human is a human. Even a brain dead human is a human, but I don't think I'd call them a person anymore.