Stop calling pro-cs child abusers challenge

While I believe that some pro-c viewpoints support child abuse, not all of them do, and I certainly won't paint all pro-cs as people that have done so. I prefer to give people the basic decency and respect they deserve.

@KayFaraday What do you mean? Certainly pro-c's don't see themselves as advocating for child abuse, but whether not what they're advocating for intrinsically IS child abuse is what the disagreement is about.

@octopus I think Miami Autumn said it well:

> […] evidence is clear that sexual activity between minors and adults in our current reality carries a significant risk for harm that outweighs any potential for benefit. I am not arguing that at all.

> Most "pro-contact" MAPs would never engage in illegal sexual activity with a minor for this reason. In fact, one recent study found that having permissive attitudes towards sexual contact between minors and adults was not significantly correlated with actually engaging in sexual activity with minors (https://doi.org/10.1037/abn0000213).

> Pro-contact MAPs simply believe that there are theoretical situations (i.e., where it was legal and socially accepted) that it could be non-harmful.

> This is *not* my belief. However, I do believe that simply having an ideology should have no bearing on whether someone is accepted/respected or not. Ideology is just someone's thoughts and beliefs, not actions.

https://qoto.org/@miamiautumn/105969902980071803

I've definitely seen some pro-c maps on the fediverse that don't fall under that belief and are advocating child abuse. But I don't think it's fair to throw all pro-cs under the bus for that reason.

@KayFaraday @octopus
>evidence is clear that sexual activity between minors and adults in our current reality carries a significant risk for harm that outweighs any potential for benefit
Show me this evidence.

@miria @KayFaraday @octopus
Long-term relationships need to be really restricted, and always risk very long jail terms and secondary-harm.

Whether you think it's worth it is up to your risk assessment though.

It's obviously wrong that there's almost no chance of positives since there are people with positive experiences. Jail time risk is obviously a bit of an unknown though.