@ChristiJunior true, the slope down from here is pretty grim. I don't want to be called a pedophile just for wanting a naturally fertile wife instead of waiting for a woman to "finally mature" at 50 years old or something, and then use in-vitro with cloned eggs.
Or, kinda like how it's now rape if a drunk guy has sex with a drunk woman, it may become abuse for two 25-year-olds to have sex.
Or, kinda like how it's now rape if a drunk guy has sex with a drunk woman, it may become abuse for two 25-year-olds to have sex.
@apropos I don't really care if you find objectively true conclusions to be offensive. People who post sexualized images of children, be they actual children who are photographed or illustrations of fictitious children, are pedophiles. They have a sexual attraction to children. That's just how it is man.
@ChristiJunior
@ChristiJunior
@NEETzsche @ChristiJunior You say you don't care, but you just don't believe me when I say that you're conflating abuse with non-abuse, because you think the normal person hears 'pedophile' and understands that to mean someone with a particular porn preference instead of a child molester.
When you believe me and still don't care, I'll mind a bit more.
When you believe me and still don't care, I'll mind a bit more.
@apropos >you're conflating abuse with non-abuse
No I'm not. Quote my conflating these two things literally anywhere.
@ChristiJunior
No I'm not. Quote my conflating these two things literally anywhere.
@ChristiJunior
@NEETzsche @ChristiJunior here's a quote: "If you post lolicon, you're a pedophile."
To understand why I think this is a conflation of abuse and non-abuse, you can go back to my first post about necrophilia.
I've already said all this stuff.
To understand why I think this is a conflation of abuse and non-abuse, you can go back to my first post about necrophilia.
I've already said all this stuff.
@apropos >Here's a quote: "If you post lolicon, you're a pedophile."
>To understand why I think this is a conflation of abuse and non-abuse, you can go back to my first post about necrophilia.
But it isn't a conflation and in order to conclude that it is you need to use definitions of words that are not correct and are not held by normal people in the everyday world. Basically, you have to redefine your way into your conclusion. You are deliberately making false statements. You are lying.
@ChristiJunior
>To understand why I think this is a conflation of abuse and non-abuse, you can go back to my first post about necrophilia.
But it isn't a conflation and in order to conclude that it is you need to use definitions of words that are not correct and are not held by normal people in the everyday world. Basically, you have to redefine your way into your conclusion. You are deliberately making false statements. You are lying.
@ChristiJunior
@NEETzsche @ChristiJunior
I've already said all this stuff.
Language has terms of art that have meanings apart from what you might guess if you analyzed them to their component parts and thought about it a vacuum. You already know this with 'pedophile' itself: you know it doesn't mean "anyone who likes children". You wouldn't say that a good mother should be a pedophile, as after all what else could she be, a pedophobe?
You are wrong about what people believe. When I say that you're conflating abuse with non-abuse, I've explained it with the exact accusation that you have here:
>You are deliberately making false statements. You are lying.
In my words: "you are playing games with language". Your classic one is "lolicon is porn and lolicon depicts children. Therefore lolicon is child porn", when people ABSOLUTELY do not think of lolicon when you tell them about child porn.
I've paid close enough attention to your words to come to suspect that you sincerely don't know what normal people think about these words. You are not playing close enough attention to my words to call me a liar.
I've already said all this stuff.
Language has terms of art that have meanings apart from what you might guess if you analyzed them to their component parts and thought about it a vacuum. You already know this with 'pedophile' itself: you know it doesn't mean "anyone who likes children". You wouldn't say that a good mother should be a pedophile, as after all what else could she be, a pedophobe?
You are wrong about what people believe. When I say that you're conflating abuse with non-abuse, I've explained it with the exact accusation that you have here:
>You are deliberately making false statements. You are lying.
In my words: "you are playing games with language". Your classic one is "lolicon is porn and lolicon depicts children. Therefore lolicon is child porn", when people ABSOLUTELY do not think of lolicon when you tell them about child porn.
I've paid close enough attention to your words to come to suspect that you sincerely don't know what normal people think about these words. You are not playing close enough attention to my words to call me a liar.
@apropos @ChristiJunior
>I've paid close enough attention to your words to come to suspect that you sincerely don't know what normal people think about these words. You are not playing close enough attention to my words to call me a liar.
I guarantee you that if we took a truly random sampling on the street of people doing their daily whatever, and we showed them a picture of some 6-year-old anime girl getting raped, and we asked them "is this child pornography?" the vast majority would say "yes." I bet a decent number of them would call the police on us.
I would bet significant sums of money that my prediction is correct. If you honestly believe that the opinions of fediverse weeaboos in any way represent average people on the street you are insane.
>I've paid close enough attention to your words to come to suspect that you sincerely don't know what normal people think about these words. You are not playing close enough attention to my words to call me a liar.
I guarantee you that if we took a truly random sampling on the street of people doing their daily whatever, and we showed them a picture of some 6-year-old anime girl getting raped, and we asked them "is this child pornography?" the vast majority would say "yes." I bet a decent number of them would call the police on us.
I would bet significant sums of money that my prediction is correct. If you honestly believe that the opinions of fediverse weeaboos in any way represent average people on the street you are insane.
@NEETzsche @ChristiJunior
... man, I said that while thinking that you hadn't made this argument in a while because you'd genuinely come around on it. But you still believe it? Jesus Christ, man.
>I would bet significant sums of money that my prediction is correct.
I completely agree with your prediction. Show normal people extreme lolicon and they'll immediately call it child porn, sure. It is also and simultaneously the case that if you tell someone you're about to show them child porn, they won't expect extreme lolicon. Try to sell "child porn" on a downtown street and the big risk isn't a police call but getting murdered on the spot. Child porn is a term of art with a particular meaning, and some sloppiness with that isn't to be encouraged even if it can be prompted with a particular experiment. You already know what that means. You didn't object that, actually good mothers *should* be pedophiles. You're just refusing to connect the dots.
If I argue with you about this in the future, please just remind me that you still believe that it's not dishonest to say that lolicon is child porn.
... man, I said that while thinking that you hadn't made this argument in a while because you'd genuinely come around on it. But you still believe it? Jesus Christ, man.
>I would bet significant sums of money that my prediction is correct.
I completely agree with your prediction. Show normal people extreme lolicon and they'll immediately call it child porn, sure. It is also and simultaneously the case that if you tell someone you're about to show them child porn, they won't expect extreme lolicon. Try to sell "child porn" on a downtown street and the big risk isn't a police call but getting murdered on the spot. Child porn is a term of art with a particular meaning, and some sloppiness with that isn't to be encouraged even if it can be prompted with a particular experiment. You already know what that means. You didn't object that, actually good mothers *should* be pedophiles. You're just refusing to connect the dots.
If I argue with you about this in the future, please just remind me that you still believe that it's not dishonest to say that lolicon is child porn.
@apropos @ChristiJunior
>You didn't object that, actually good mothers *should* be pedophiles. You're just refusing to connect the dots.
I object. Good mothers shouldn't be attracted to children.
>If I argue with you about this in the future, please just remind me that you still believe that it's not dishonest to say that lolicon is child porn.
It's dishonest to say that pornography of children isn't child pornography just because it's drawn and not photographed.
>You didn't object that, actually good mothers *should* be pedophiles. You're just refusing to connect the dots.
I object. Good mothers shouldn't be attracted to children.
>If I argue with you about this in the future, please just remind me that you still believe that it's not dishonest to say that lolicon is child porn.
It's dishonest to say that pornography of children isn't child pornography just because it's drawn and not photographed.
@NEETzsche @ChristiJunior
>Good mothers shouldn't be attracted to children.
Should good mothers be repulsed by children? Should good mothers flee from children? Should good mothers be indifferent to children?
What you did here what transliterate pedophile from Latin to English, and that doesn't actually dodge the problem that these expressions have particular meanings and that it would be dishonest to play word games with them.
>Good mothers shouldn't be attracted to children.
Should good mothers be repulsed by children? Should good mothers flee from children? Should good mothers be indifferent to children?
What you did here what transliterate pedophile from Latin to English, and that doesn't actually dodge the problem that these expressions have particular meanings and that it would be dishonest to play word games with them.
@apropos @ChristiJunior
>What you did here what transliterate pedophile from Latin to English
What I did here is use the English language understanding of the word "pedophile" in an English language discussion while you try to redefine the word before us.
>these expressions have particular meanings and that it would be dishonest to play word games with them.
A pedophile is someone with a sexual attraction to children. You are the one playing word games by trying to pretend that pedophilia refers to something other than a sexual attraction to children
>What you did here what transliterate pedophile from Latin to English
What I did here is use the English language understanding of the word "pedophile" in an English language discussion while you try to redefine the word before us.
>these expressions have particular meanings and that it would be dishonest to play word games with them.
A pedophile is someone with a sexual attraction to children. You are the one playing word games by trying to pretend that pedophilia refers to something other than a sexual attraction to children
@NEETzsche @ChristiJunior I am not trying to say that pedophile has any other common meaning, you fucking illiterate. The entire basis of everything that I've said is that pedophile means someone with a sexual attraction to children. The word games are breaking that down to "pedo" and "philia" and coming up with a literal, non-sexual meaning. My repeated, explicit assertion that you understand all this is not me trying to argue that it's any other way. It's because you know that pedophile isn't something a good mother should be, that you also know what terms of art are, that you also should know that breaking "child porn" down to "depicts a child" and "porn" can be deceptive.
@apropos @ChristiJunior This idea that if you ask someone to envision a word or phrase that only the first thing that comes to mind qualifies is the truly illiterate position.
@NEETzsche @ChristiJunior
meaning #1. photographic evidence of actual, literal abuse of a real child
meaning #2. a drawing
Remember how I said you were conflating abuse with non-abuse? If these are the multiple meanings of a term, you should really discard one of them.
meaning #1. photographic evidence of actual, literal abuse of a real child
meaning #2. a drawing
Remember how I said you were conflating abuse with non-abuse? If these are the multiple meanings of a term, you should really discard one of them.
@apropos @ChristiJunior meaning #1 of child pornography: pornography depicting children.
If you ask people to define this, they wouldn't make a distinction between drawn and real in their definition. So, nice try. In conclusion, there is no conflation and you're merely projecting one on to me to save your position.
If you ask people to define this, they wouldn't make a distinction between drawn and real in their definition. So, nice try. In conclusion, there is no conflation and you're merely projecting one on to me to save your position.
Hahaha stupid apropos, you fool, you absolute twat
How can you not realise this little girls has feelings and rights? Keep pretending that the little crocodile isn't Alive too, they are scared of you but any time now it will move and starting reciting the UN charter for human rights
T. @NEETzsche
@ChristiJunior @apropos
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How can you not realise this little girls has feelings and rights? Keep pretending that the little crocodile isn't Alive too, they are scared of you but any time now it will move and starting reciting the UN charter for human rights
T. @NEETzsche
@ChristiJunior @apropos
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@Elfie @ChristiJunior @apropos @NEETzsche
He literally did not say a single thing about human rights, so why are you basing everything you say on it?
He literally did not say a single thing about human rights, so why are you basing everything you say on it?
@Eris
The conclusion of neetzsche arguments is that fictional character have human rights
That by infringing in a character's rights for any given reason is the same as an actual crime
So if you get a kill Streak in call of doody you should go to jail for infringing on the human rights of the campaign NPC's
@ChristiJunior @apropos @NEETzsche
The conclusion of neetzsche arguments is that fictional character have human rights
That by infringing in a character's rights for any given reason is the same as an actual crime
So if you get a kill Streak in call of doody you should go to jail for infringing on the human rights of the campaign NPC's
@ChristiJunior @apropos @NEETzsche
@Elfie @ChristiJunior @apropos @NEETzsche
>The conclusion of neetzsche arguments is that fictional character have human rights
No, it isn't.
>The conclusion of neetzsche arguments is that fictional character have human rights
No, it isn't.
@Elfie @ChristiJunior @NEETzsche @apropos
Not only is this not a conclusion of his argument, but he has said literally nothing that you could even misinterpret to conclude that.
Not only is this not a conclusion of his argument, but he has said literally nothing that you could even misinterpret to conclude that.
@Eris
I'm 15 steps ahead of him Eris, I've been bullying retards on fedi for longer than you have, after a while archetypes start showing
This is his
@ChristiJunior @apropos @NEETzsche
I'm 15 steps ahead of him Eris, I've been bullying retards on fedi for longer than you have, after a while archetypes start showing
This is his
@ChristiJunior @apropos @NEETzsche
@Elfie @ChristiJunior @apropos @NEETzsche
You are making up arguments so that you can shoot them down. Literally strawmanning.
You are making up arguments so that you can shoot them down. Literally strawmanning.
@Eris
If you say so
Yet he has been completely shut down... Certainly I couldn't have been right about his ideas...
@ChristiJunior @apropos @NEETzsche
If you say so
Yet he has been completely shut down... Certainly I couldn't have been right about his ideas...
@ChristiJunior @apropos @NEETzsche
@Elfie @ChristiJunior @apropos @NEETzsche
I am telling you in plain english that you are just observably and objectively making up the "human rights" argument.
Listen, for god's sakes, you're acting like a retard.
I am telling you in plain english that you are just observably and objectively making up the "human rights" argument.
Listen, for god's sakes, you're acting like a retard.
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@Eris @Elfie @ChristiJunior @apropos @NEETzsche Literally the only cope they have is pretending nobody else knows it's fiction
@applejack @Elfie @ChristiJunior @apropos @NEETzsche Nobody cares it's fiction.
