@Terry @fluffy Heterosexual men show up as about 40% pedophiles from phalometric studies, so that's wrong

I think even mainstream sources like the DSM5 put the estimate of the total population to more than 2x the amount of gays

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ya they show someone in prison for life a naughty little girl pic and if they get a bonner then they're pedo. kinda silly considering reproducing at a younger age had been normal through most of human history in most of the world. would make more sense to look at convicted pedos since theyve committed the crime.
just wondering where they draw the line at pedo. got a link to the study so i can read it and find out?

wondering if it's, pre-puberty, or pre-18yo, or something else entirely.

@fluffy @Terry @Dave Ok, I misremembered, it's like 20-30
27.7% (Firestone et al. 2000)
14.3% (Marshall et al. 1986)
18.3% (Fedora et al. 1992)
19.4% (Freund et al. 1991)
25% (Seto et al. 2000)

@applejack @fluffy @Terry @Dave See this, he's citing these papers, he hasn't read these papers. The debate script says to cite them. I have read these papers; he can't even give the titles because he doesn't have them.
it's not too uncommon to only put author and date. i don't like it but i see it all the time
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> number of men: Only one is over 100

This is a ridiculously small sample size.
@lanodan @applejack @Dave @Terry @fluffy They're actually omitting a lot of data in those charts. The reason the sample sizes were small is that this chart was made by taking this studies that had 200 rapists and 40 guys that got $50 to be the control group. So this chart, they take the control group information and present it on its own, it's an intentionally deceptive chart.

@p @Terry @lanodan @Dave @fluffy They included a control group and the control group had a high arousal, it's stating 100% what it's stating

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@p @Terry @lanodan @Dave @fluffy And it applies even in other studies, you just obsess over that one
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Self-reported and physiological sexual arousal to adult and pedophilic stimuli were examined among 80 men drawn from a community sample of volunteers. Over ¼ of the current subjects self-reported pedophilic interest or exhibited penile arousal to pedophilic stimuli that equalled or exceeded arousal to adult stimuli

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> And it applies even in other studies, you just obsess over that one

I can't have been obsessing over that one, because I picked another one and downloaded it and read it over right before I wrote that reply. (I picked "Fedora" because it sounded like it wasn't real: 60 guys in the control group, plus 227 rapists.) So far, almost all of these studies are basically that. You'd probably know that if you had read them.

> blah blah hall95.pdf

I've read that one. That's the one the fake chart cites. The chart looked like bullshit and turns out to be bullshit. I wrote about this nearly a year ago.

Speaking of your "noooooooo these are representative samples", Hall wrote "Samples of normal men have been small and unrepresentative in previous studies."

> Over ¼ of the current subjects self-reported pedophilic interest or exhibited penile arousal to pedophilic stimuli

Congrats, you can read an abstract. Three of those 16 guys turned out to just be child sex offenders, and they weren't discarded from the study. That brings the number down to 13/77. The study was designed to measure whether they could inhibit responses by effort. "The most arousing slide for 72 [of 80] subjects was one of the adult female slides." and "The hypothesis that sexual arousal to pedophilic stimuli is a function of general sexual arousability factors was supported [...]". Not just that, but "it is also possible that self-reporting sexual arousal created a performance demand that may partially account for the self-report/physiological discrepancy." In other words, they had a cuff hooked up to their dick and they were asked a bunch of questions about what gave them boners. As many of them popped wood for the contrast slides as for the nude images.
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