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@Eris @q @Returned_tryhard @PROtoss987 @zero @ew According to modernity, both are. According to tradition, neither are. I'm not the picking and choosing here.

@Eris @q @Returned_tryhard @PROtoss987 @zero @ew "follow my intuition" means you could be killed for quite literally nothing, yes

@Eris @q @Returned_tryhard @SneedsterSpeedster @PROtoss987 @zero @ew I agree, rape is a violent act. Nobody disagrees. Now tell me how making consensual love to your child wife is rape.

@SneedsterSpeedster @q @Eris @Returned_tryhard @PROtoss987 @zero @ew Read the entire thing. There is not a single thing but bitching, moral fagging, and goalpost shifting. Even newer studies find the same result, they just try and cope with it by framing it as "we are right, but the lack of evidence for it shows that this isn't the right way to prove we are right"
nsuworks.nova.edu/cps_stuetd/1

Wikipedia quite literally has a rule staying that if you are pro-consent that you are not allowed to edit wikipedia. Not even about expressing it, you are just not allowed to contribute. Jewish communist company.

Then other people have upheld Rind et al
srmhp.org/0402/child-abuse.htm

@Eris @q @Returned_tryhard @PROtoss987 @zero @ew He used the left wing cope of "if you get fired maybe you shouldn't have been a RACIST 😏" on pedos without self reflecting a bit beforehand

@Returned_tryhard @q @Eris @PROtoss987 @zero @ew Society cannot be happy while people blindly follow modern jewish morality over evolved traditions

@ew @PROtoss987 @Eris @Returned_tryhard @q @zero Whenever there are anti encryption laws that will 100% punish political right wing dissidents (such as those calling for the open violent murder of people), they bring up child porn and grooming and this other garbage. Other right wingers will unironically end us all just to "own le pedos" on behalf of Schlomo

@Returned_tryhard @q @Eris @PROtoss987 @zero @ew I'm explicitly arguing for marriage, of which consummation is a part. AOC historically was about marriage, not sex. Marriage includes sex, so any argument against sex I have a foot in the game.

@Returned_tryhard @q @Eris @PROtoss987 @zero @ew It sounds like you don't have an answer. I talk about what's on my mind IRL and people don't care, it's not as sensationalised as the internet.

@SneedsterSpeedster @q @Eris @Returned_tryhard @PROtoss987 @zero @ew Literally the argument is that it's "not good enough" and "you can't just differentiate rape and consent because they can't consent"

Specifically with the first thing:
They added that according to the commonly understood definition of the term, child sexual abuse is extremely and pervasively harmful, meaning that "in any population sampled - drug addicts, psychiatric patients, or college students - persons who have experienced CSA should show strong evidence of the assumed properties of CSA." The authors of the study say that because the college sample did not show pervasive harm, "the broad and unqualified claims about the properties of CSA are contradicted".[28] Rind et al. also said that using college samples was appropriate because their study found similar prevalence rates and experiences of severity and outcomes between college samples and national samples.

Second thing is just retarded. The last sentence is also nonsense, nobody argues that someone hasn't been harmed, especially when they're using the invalid concept of "CSA" which involves hard rape and Rind et al doesn't address

@Returned_tryhard @q @Eris @PROtoss987 @zero @ew Winning means maximising your own happiness. Your happiness relies on others, and their happiness relies on feeling safe, such as not being able to be randomly picked out to be killed for nothing

@Returned_tryhard @q @Eris @PROtoss987 @zero @ew Killing people to advance your political position is completely legitimate and sane, but you also need to be kinda pragmatic with it, otherwise you'll just create an unstable environment that ends up killing you

@Returned_tryhard @q @Eris @PROtoss987 @zero @ew Look, this comes up and involves what I'm arguing for, it's just not exclusively that. I'm arguing for what I'm arguing for. They should be married and they should have parental consent for it. If we agree, okay, great.

@Returned_tryhard @q @Eris @PROtoss987 @zero @ew I'm not ignoring this, I know it's untrue. I've already posted about it. People were marrying 12yos are late as the 1950s, how the hell would they get traumatised without people knowing? Just the fact positive experiences exist at all proves this isn't true, but:
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/967082
Meta-analyses revealed that students with CSA were, on average, slightly less well adjusted than controls. However, this poorer adjustment could not be attributed to CSA because family environment (FE) was consistently confounded with CSA, FE explained considerably more adjustment variance than CSA, and CSA-adjustment relations generally became nonsignificant when studies controlled for FE. Self-reported reactions to and effects from CSA indicated that negative effects were neither pervasive nor typically intense, and that men reacted much less negatively than women. The college data were completely consistent with data from national samples. Basic beliefs about CSA in the general population were not supported.

Also what mechanism does it work on. I know with jewish sociology you just make stuff up and pretend it's obvious, but why would they have evolved a self destruct switch for something they do themselves without issue and for something that involves no force, stress, harm, and can even feel good and satisfying. It's a bonding activity for a reason.

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