@Zerglingman yeah what programs do i need for xmpp and where do i learn to use them

@carlosruzu Desktop: Pidgin, uhhh I forgot all the other ones because I just use pidgin for (almost) everything
Android: conversations (or convers6tions if you care about ip6), also others
There are shitloads of them, just look up "xmpp client <platform>" and you should get flooded with results.
There are probably websites that do it but they may not work with all servers (there's a setting about http access, which I think websites would usually use, but not always).

As for how to use... Hopefully they're relatively straightforward. idk good learning places for xmpp. I lurk the newsletter these days: https://xmpp.org/blog/
Also it has lots of Russian crypto scam bots, have fun getting friend reqs from them (I think you can just auto reject friend reqs, or at least by domain - there are only about 5 domains that do it).

@Zerglingman thanks for that legitimitely

@carlosruzu For the record, if you want a Discord-like experience, you'd be better off with revolt (not federated) or matrix (but, well, you've probably already got opinions on matrix). I like XMPP more than matrix, and I don't really care about anything not federated.

@Zerglingman @carlosruzu Matrix was literally created by Israel, total honeypot

@kazcynski_stan @carlosruzu Prove it or gtfo, troll.
element doesn't count, morg doesn't count, because both are easily avoided.
Even synapse barely counts.

@Zerglingman @carlosruzu I wish I could do a chad "I made it up" but I heard it from Luke Smith in his article about XMPP vs Matrix.

@kazcynski_stan @carlosruzu Link it? "Luke Smith" seems a bit hard to look up.
Actually if I just chuck all those words in I should - ah yep there it is.

"The standard Matrix-Synapse server now encrypts all chats and private rooms with end-to-end encryption by default."
...
Ooooook I'm just gonna close that right there and tell you to try again, cite someone that isn't a fucking retard, or actually prove it.

@Zerglingman @carlosruzu You seem like you're in a bad mood, Zerg. I feel like you've been rather hostile today (well yesterday technically). Not pulling a "u mad bro", I'm genuinely curious, as a fren. You ok, man?

Anyways, the issue is they still have access to metadata.

"Matrix was developed and funded by a company Amdocs. Amdocs is an Israeli company that has since moved to America and has near total knowledge of American telephone communications.
You can read about the fun history of Amdocs here. More about Matrix and Amdocs here.
Since American telephone records have "mysteriously" fallen into the hands of Israel, there are many questions as how this has happened. Perhaps this Israeli company which has had many Israeli military and intelligence officers involved with it and which also has all American telephone records might be involved?
Actually, this is just like Matrix. Amdocs does not have access to telephone audio (so far as I know), they only traffic in metadata (when calls are made and between whom). Matrix functions the same way. Chats are at least end-to-end encrypted (which still puts this Israeli honeypot lightyears ahead of proprietary spyware like Telegram), but Matrix metadata is easily available to server administrators.
Now to be clear, formally, since 2017, Amdocs no longer is the open sponsor of Matrix. It is instead funded by a break-off organization called Vector. But Matrix/Vector has somehow remained very, very well-funded for a "community-driven" project: they raised $8.5 million, that's a lot for free stuff! Crowd-funding for relatively unknown open source software projects is apparently much more lucrative than I thought!
(Of course, we all know that this is a baseless and widely deboonkted anti-semitic conspiracy theory as Our Greatest Ally®️ Israel would never do anything bad to us at all.)"

@Zerglingman i got matrix. might start to work on it

@carlosruzu Feel free to hit me up, here or there (ah, it's not in my profile, maybe I should add some more links - @zergling.man:perthchat.org), with questions. Matrix has some odd concepts that are just waiting to "gotcha!"
Remember, no element.

@Zerglingman also i can get lowering it to 16 or something but no AoC?

@carlosruzu As I said, it's a substitute for a maturity test. The idea is "at this age, we can assume the person is mature enough to make their own decisions", ie. "this person is an adult".
Except, of course, people mature at different ages. No single age is a good age of consent, therefore it would be better to determine maturity via some other means.
If we had a good way of doing that.

@Zerglingman what one said that im willing to budge by is essentially checking with the parents if its a child. even then I don't think im strong on that idea, especially not morally. aoc is imo the best we have

@carlosruzu ...
That's actually the only system that I would be willing to consider over aoc.
If we didn't have troons.

@Zerglingman trans people themselves arent bad imo. only issue is the culture around trans people is hella cringe

@carlosruzu Hate the sin, love the sinner, of course, but you'll have an uphill battle arguing that it's not a sin.
(Actually, that's easier in the strict sense than in the loose sense.)

@Zerglingman eh, met some based based trans people. one of my closest friends on discord is a trans libertarian who's main goal is to own guns and property. one of the coolest people ik, more or less trans people

@carlosruzu Yes, being a sinner isn't an automatic assassination of character. That is, in fact, the entire point of Churches, and Christianity itself.