@Facebeard @dcjogger Your last statement is a wonderful pipe dream, there was by far way too many laws/codes/regulations etc. on the books to allow for that; you know you need a permit to sell cupcakes on your front lawn?... Nope, to correct the fuckery that has been laid upon us that tree of liberty must be refreshed... If there is to be trouble let it be in my lifetime and not in my children's. I'm just wondering how to get it all paid for, civil warring isn't cheap. Thats all I have to say about that.

@Scott_Free @dcjogger i agree that the united states government need to be completely replaced. i do NOT agree that civil war will get us there. civil war just ensures that the US retains their ownership of our actions. civil war is basically getting cucked by the gov so much, that we literally destroy each other because the US gov tricked us into it.

fuck civil war. we the people need to unite against the 1% that perpetuates all these delusional fantasies of civil war.

@Facebeard @dcjogger Fair enough... So using what means do you purpose We The People regain control of a government that is OUT of control and drive out the 1%... All WITHOUT violence? I don't think asking nicely will quite do it and don't say voting as we all know thats a fucking joke.

@Scott_Free @dcjogger That is a very hard question to answer. To overtake the government without violence, we must render their services useless. We do that by building our own means of production and service. For example, we don't need cops if everyone in the neighborhood is armed and willing to defend themselves and everyone around them.

But of course, we live on land that the US gov stole, so we have to pay them taxes or else. That impedes Libertarian and Socialist progress, because we are not free to build our own autonomous communities. That's why the Phalansteries failed. Big gov always wants their cut of the labor value that is produced by people, even if they have to take it by force. Under real Socialism (with Libertarian principles), all of the labor value produced belongs to the people who produced it. Under big gov Capitalism, that labor value is stolen and wasted.

Taking small steps to empower small local communities is the best way forward IMO. Shared food gardens. Social communities that empower each other. Renting out homes for very cheap to those who need them and can't afford it. Little by little, we can break people away from the addiction of having daddy government controlling every aspect of their lives in the name of "safety and freedom."

Violent revolution is short-lived. Only when the population realizes the truth will they escape their chains. Violent revolution would just piss off half of Murka that thinks the government is good. It would be a lost cause.

It may take hundreds of years, but peaceful revolution is the way forward.

The best things we can do is find and eliminate greed, hatred and delusion from our minds, and encourage others to do the same through love.

But yeah, not easy.

@Facebeard @Scott_Free @dcjogger

Truly sad to report: Civil war is here. It has been here for many decades. We simply aren't capable as a collective to recognize the acts of guerrilla/terrorist carried out with each of these false flags that push the bankster/shadow-government agenda.

Agreed, fighting each other is totally counterproductive. With the overwhelming big tech mind control and big brother at the helm...

I do like the conversation here though!