I think people should really take a look at the tools available to them, make appropriate decisions, and not jump to conclusions...

Fact: You can block domains and users from your feed as a user.

Fact: You can report users you think are violating the instance they are ons terms (it's actually in that ... thing you ignore).

Fact: Any amount of subusers, does not make the entire instance worth blocking from the fediverse, there is more to this, that should be taken responsibly, if you are a responsible human. Just cause you are mad doesn't mean the rest of the fedi shouldn't hear what other people have to say, they call that censorship, and shame on you...

Fact: No one has to agree with your thought process, and when you post it publicly, you should expect that some in the public might not agree with you. If you care so much that you want no one to disagree, get a fucking journal...

Fact: When you drop instances you only make it so, you have an echo chamber of things you like, all you hear is what you wanna hear, never discourse of any kind, and while that might be good for your ego posts, it has nothing to do with actual thought, conversation, or anything to do with anyone but you... Again get a journal.

@seven ok, but when an instance is willing to house obvious assholes, why shouldn't it be blocked? like, there is no reason not to block kiwifarms.

@grainloom Why at instance level is my question.

Let the users decide, they can block that domain if they want. Maybe there are two users on there that are ok for that user... Why should anyone outside of the actual person decide for them who they should talk to, follow, etc?!

One can try to call it anything they want, but deciding for other people is censorship, there is no other definition I'm aware of, though happy to hear valid arguments to the latter besides fud.

@seven Because it's simply too much work that not everyone can do.
It's why adblockers exist.
I trust my admins to make the right decision, so it's not censorship by that (rather too vague) definition.
Forcing everyone to play whack-a-mole with trolls just so you can uphold some idealized version of free speech is not a sustainable strategy.

@seven And come, seriously, if you know what kiwifarms does, how can you seriously say that they don't deserve to be deleted from the face of the internet? (or at the very least get their instance defederated)
Spam and trolls are not very different memetically. Instance blocks are just the immune system doing its thing.
There is a noise-to-signal ratio where an block is justified. This is true both at the user level and the instance level.
Maybe P2P software will make this more elegant, but until then, this is what we have.

@grainloom I mean, I don't like the bulk of them based on opinions, sure. But I would rather deal with it individually, and shockingly, no problems... I'm not limiting the information I can get, and I'm not limiting my users ability to communicate with people they are ok with. I don't live in a echo chamber, I see whats available, read or not, block or not, whatever I decide. The idea that anyone else chooses what content I see is worse than federating with the worst if instances... My opinion, I could be wrong, but somehow, I think I'm not.

Instance blocking doesn't stop those types, blocked or not, they will continue, if what they do is so offensive, you as a user have an option, and can use it, why put the work on someone else, after all you are you! I shouldn't decide for you, I block Garfield for instance, cause for me, it's just distracting clutter, but certainly not at an instance level (even though I most certainly could) but that's my personal choice, as a human...

If it was only me, sure maybe I would, but when it's not, I let them decide what they want cause they are functioning humans, with a right to devour whatever content they want (barring fully nasty illegal stuff that would kill the service I provide).

@grainloom I'll add deplatforming anyone for any opinion (no matter how wrong) is the worst thing I can imagine... It mean's the end of people communicating, just a bunch of silos where no one can find common ground, polarization, however you wanna conceptualize it... It's literally the thing that brought so many to fedi in the first place.... We don't need more silos.

@seven well, when i get blocked, i actually think about why i got blocked and often i realize i did something wrong and then try to do better.
people should just be transparent about why they block and periodically re-evaluate blocks.
if kiwifarms was gonna listen to reason, they would have done so already. and they are already polarized. they are also a tiny portion of fedi. more people are polarized against them then they are polarized against. i don't care about converting them, i want them and their ideas to disappear. we are not talking about an endangered species here, they are a parasitic infestation.
if some of them realize the fucked up, that's great, but the group as a whole doesn't deserve your or anyone else's protection.

@grainloom My point exactly, that is a individual user concern!

Instance level just makes the instances that block less able to communicate! Users can block domains all day, or users, let them!

Admins have other things to think about, whatever content user bob has issue with shouldn't be their problem, the product has tolls to let them deal with it on their own.

@seven But if most of your users want it blocked, why not block it? Why maintain the facade or impartiality?

@grainloom @seven

I love how seven keeps trying to make a good point about blocking and all you do is bring us up and talk about the anti troll crusade instead of engaging his points.

KF isn't the only meanie instance on the internet, big boy.

I know I'm probably blocked I just love yelling at the TV.

@DA70D6 @grainloom @seven I'm sure he's just peddling the same bullshit instead of addressing the points because he knows seven is right and he is wrong.

@coldacid @grainloom @seven

No coldacid you don't understand

Kiwifarms is a wretched hive of scum and villainy. They are LITERALLY criminals and they must be completely eradicated from the face of the earth for the safety of us all.

I'm serious they need to be fucking shot dude, have you seen how dangerous they are? They drove a person to suicide once.

@DA70D6 @coldacid @grainloom @seven more than once tbh

@colonelj @grainloom @DA70D6 @coldacid @seven
this is horrible