I hate christian forgiveness, oh "an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind"? more like an eye for an eye keeps the world CLEANSED OF EVIL, YOU EVIL WORSHIPING SACKS OF SHIT, IF EVIL WENT AWAY YOU FUCKS WOULD BE OUT OF A JOB, YOU COLLABORATE WITH EVIL YOU BASTARDS AND YOU ALWAYS HAVE!

@Jazzy_Butts That's hindu

@Sp Hindu kills evil ones? Or hindu collaborates with evil ones?

@Jazzy_Butts "an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind"
That was said by Gandhi

@Jazzy_Butts I am all in for violence don't get me wrong, but only the minimum necessary for evil to be no more, since evil is such a fluid concept
Pedophiles are evil and children can't consent is the culture, so I could get skinned alive for a partner that 100% agreed to be with me

@Sp True, I mean in an ideal fantasy I would like these very bad, smug, arrogant, selfish people, who love hurting others, punching babies makes them smile, biting kittens heads off brings them joy, this type of person should be made to feel pain beyond pain, for the good of my own sanity

@Sp Ah, well he got shot, so, lot of good it did him. "Hey guys let's never kill anyone no matter how bad they are!"
"No" *bang*

I have no idea why he got killed, but he did. Also I heard that ghandi technically killed a bunch of people who died in riots he sparked.

@Jazzy_Butts That's true
He was not that against violence, he was against revengist violence

@Sp Good point but NO, the RICH are the ONES WITHHOLDING FOOD, FORCING PEOPLE TO STEAL, IT IS THEM WHO ARE IN THE WRONG

@Jazzy_Butts And can be converted into proles, and the evil pruned without torture nor death
Cuba and DPRK showed this

@Sp I'm sure cuba and the dprk used torture, every group uses torture and killing to enforce rules

@Jazzy_Butts They abolished torture
"every group uses torture"
is not true, nor was it ever

You think that just because capitalist countries and the islamic state do it everyone does?

@Sp @Jazzy_Butts torture is a very subjective notion. If you're talking about purely physical torture, I'll maybe buy it, but that's not all there is. It's nuanced beyond fedi explanation.

@TheSomebodies @Jazzy_Butts That is true
Here, I am talking of intentional torture

@Sp @Jazzy_Butts you can intentionally torture somebody without ever touching them.

@Sp I think everyone does it not because of capitalism or muslims, humans are apes, apes are very old, apes use torture, we use torture, simple as. Not saying torture is moral, but it is justified, and it's to do with our brains being big enough to understand that what would hurt us, would hurt another, and what feels good for us, the opposite of that would probably feel bad, we as a species use this to enforce rules. Putting children in school and instilling terror in them is a form of psychological torture, to elicit behavior. Instilling terror in the mentally ill, people who are harmless and babble, is torture. All human societies use torture.

@Jazzy_Butts It is not necessarily torture, especially if you don't instill terror on them

Homeschooling can be, fwiw, just as if not more torturing than normal schooling

And then again, I said about intentionality. While it can be argued that schools in the US are basically torture, since the US allows beating students who misbehave for example, and in Korea, where school is so hard many many students kill themselves, I'd say no other school system is intentionally torture

@Sp I'd disagree, the powers that be feel that children must be dominated, with force, same as the police mentality that mentality goes all the way up, discussions are not how our overseers do things, they say to do something and an overseen is expected to so it, if they do not, they are punished.

Line up. "No". Punishment.
Stand up for the pledge of allegiance. "No". Punishment.
Etc.

@Jazzy_Butts You are again using only the US as example

Lets take Cuba again as example
They have youth groups to defend the rights of minors (as all communist countries have), and because of how council communism works, it effectively gives children the power to vote. School is obligatory, but teachers don't have a monopoly on how students are treated and students can fire teachers, because the school is not for teachers, but for students

@Sp That's cool, here it's impossible to fire a teacher, there's even been cases where teachers had sex a student (and you know how people are about that, even if consensual) and all the school could do was put them on paid leave. They get to retire and have paid leave.

@Jazzy_Butts See
As I said, not every group uses torture, and the US is the worst in that regard

Basically all torture in Cuba today is perpetrated by the US, via either the embargo or Guantanamo

@Sp So why do people still flee? People leave cuba, are they insane? Are they sick and mad so they leave such good people and life behind?

@Jazzy_Butts That's a complicated matter
1st, right before the revolution there was ~1mil Cubans in the US, right after, most went back to Cuba
2nd, right after that, many former slave owners fled to the US (I wonder why)
3rd in the 90s was the second big emigration wave. The USSR fell together with the whole eastern block, which together with the US embargo, plundered the country in a deep scarcity problem, since now it couldn't trade with anyone

But they got better, and emigrations stopped, simple as
Now when someone tries to go back to Cuba, the US jails them, since because of the embargo, there's no legal way of going back

Castro even tried to have an open borders relation with the US and said that every Cuban that wanted to would be free and even have the travel paid by the government, but the US denied, making it so emigration is only possible in illegal ways, and harder one way (US -> Cuba is almost impossible)

@Sp Wow making people stay when they don't want to is kidnapping. At least the government gave that one Gonzalez kid back, he didn't look happy about it though, but it could have been his adoptive parents scaring him by telling him things.

@Jazzy_Butts Kidnapping is unfortunately very common
If you want a better look on it, there's this short documentary about north koreans in south korea: https://youtu.be/BkUMZS-ZegM

@Sp Holy shit, I know what the us is capable of so this documentary doesn't seem like pure propaganda to me, but I don't believe that communist countries are heavenly paradises either. Communism is better in theory if you want cooperation, and since we are a cooperative species it's the most logical. We are not a hive of ants or a colony of bees, we are human beings, top down ruling where a few fat queens get fed by brainwashed workers is inhuman, and so is not suitable for humans.

@Jazzy_Butts You say top ruling, but you know very little of communism I imagine

Fun fact: Kim Jon-un has less power over North Korea than Joe Biden over the US

@Sp I was referring to hierarchical structures when I said Top Down Ruling, in perfect communalism, or communism if you will, there would be no rulers, everyone would live in an anarchic state of voluntary cooperation

@Jazzy_Butts That's true, DPRK is a socialist state, which we say communist for convenience

But then again, most companies in North Korea aren't state-owned nor state-planned, the ones that are state owned are the essential ones, like electricity and water, a few coal mines, and nuclear stuff; the rest is cooperatives

Ofc, they have state oversight to guarantee workers' rights, after all they are a workers' state