It was late, I was inspired, so I made a little zine with the intent to be distributed anonymously. Would love feedback and comments :)

@laura

I like zines. This one was sort of neat, although I miss the drawn art from old zines.

A few thoughts:

1. A good point was made: most child molesters may not be pedophiles. Rapists, killers, etc. get off on the pain of others, and oftentimes do not mind the category of victim.
2. However, even if you are attracted to children, this suggests something "off" in the head. Probably something to be fought, not embraced.

@amerika @laura the issue with your proposal is that no attraction really can be fought. the idea is rather than fighting abnormalities of the mind, you work with them.

note that therapists make nl attempt to cure mental illness, for instance. they find the best way to make a mental illness tolerable. because trying to cure it gets you nowhere, as most people i know can attest to

@errante @laura

I have to disagree here. Attraction is a subset of fascination. Fascinations can be fought, usually because they signal something else.

We are in cause-effect land here, and the cause is often not proximate to the effect.

The only sensible therapy I can think of -- most therapists are just midwives to suicide, as far as I can tell -- is to have the person understand the hidden motivation behind their impulses.

@amerika @laura i dont think attractions can be fought, merely suppressed. suppression is proven ineffective since freud's time

@errante @laura

I dunno if I think "suppression" is the goal.

More like... dig into the issue, find out what is behind it.

@amerika @laura yes! once you do that, however, you still have the attraction. i coild find out why im gay but that wouldnt cjange the fact i want zilch to do with vaginas

@errante @laura

I do not think "gay" is an issue to be cured. As has been suggested in the past, it serves a biological role, although a community-oriented instead of self-oriented one.

@errante @laura

If you find out why you have the attraction and it is an effect of something else, in my experience, the attraction fades.

People have a small experience with this when they become fixated on someone, a crush or something more pathological.

When the dependency and obsession fade, the underlying need can be revealed in the half-light before dawn.

@amerika @laura but what of the attractions that dont fade, ie sexuality?

@errante @laura

Depends on what motivates it.

Some are biological. For example, I think most gay people are wired that way.

Pedophilic attraction strikes me more as a trauma response, separate from the true predators who just want to hurt and crush innocence out of a fatalistic selfish rage.

Most of those do not destroy children sexually; they simply become teachers.

@amerika @laura im not sure that pedophilia is necessarily not-biological. if you're going to argue the biological role for homosexuality, a case can be made that learning is far more effective if both student and teacher have an affection for another, no?

hence the pederastic model re-emerging so many times in the exact same way in places that've never had contact with each other

@errante @laura

Another loophole: the goal could be to capture a child and wait for it to mature so that it could be a partner. Sort of like the Islamic guy and his nine-year-old wife.

But then, the goal is not the child itself, but the mature child.

Similarly with pederasty, is the goal the lifelong relationship, or the child?

@amerika @laura the goal of the pederastic relationship was to educate the young boy in the ways of the society (consistently so across japan greece etc)
@amerika @laura if i recall correctly, homosexual sex in greece was not penetrative, but instead made use of the thighs, but thats irrelevant to the point

if the teacher and student love each other, i can't imagine it's difficult to teach them anymore. thats the function, i guess

@errante @laura

In the same way, I think a lot of whitish women have sex with dogs in order to feel some sense of power. Being edgy is better than being popular, and having something special and taboo for oneself is like hoodwinking all of society and getting away with it.

@errante @laura @amerika do you know what the dog pill actually is bc it's not zoophilia
@TheSomebodies @laura @amerika i pretend it doesnt exist and maintain that taking the dog pill = wanting to have sex with dogs
@TheSomebodies @laura @amerika hmm, ok. 'taking the dogpill' is an action that women do?
@errante @laura @amerika it's a thing some incels believe genuinely, that women esp white women would rather fuck dogs than "low value men". It's also a dogwhistle for "would rather fuck black people".
@TheSomebodies @laura @amerika ok but i meant like

'taking the dog pill' who is the reciever of this action

@TheSomebodies @laura @errante

In the meantime, we have no accurate data on _who_ is fucking dogs but we know some people out there are fucking dogs.

@amerika @laura @errante yeah, zoophiles are fucking dogs.

And "race mixing", or as it should be called, "humans fucking other humans normally", is only unpopular amongst the old and the retarded.

@TheSomebodies @laura @errante

If that was humans fucking humans normally, we would not have races in the first place.

Bad logic.

But agreed on the zoophiles.

@amerika @laura @errante actually Europeans invented race as a concept to justify slavery but nice try
My logic is sound
@prouddegenerate @TheSomebodies @amerika @errante huh? this is like, unironically true. race is a social construct like class or gender
@laura @prouddegenerate @TheSomebodies @amerika @errante I would agree. But race also has roots across the western ideals of social constructs, alongside having an undeniable tangible effect nowadays in both eastern and western society
@Foxyanarchism @laura @amerika @errante @prouddegenerate I'm not denying the effects but we can't deny that the concept is retarded

We're all the same exact species. There is no difference between us. It was invented to justify various forms of oppression and bigotry and now we have to deconstruct and obliterate an idea with no biological backing whatsoever. Race as a concept serves no positive purpose.
@TheSomebodies @Foxyanarchism @laura @amerika @prouddegenerate > There is no difference between us.


hate to be uhm actually but there are differences in terms of genetic predispositions to conditions and stuff. ive also seen some circumstantial evidence that suggests certain ethnic groups have certain dietary adaptations
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@errante @Foxyanarchism @laura @TheSomebodies @amerika @prouddegenerate I've heard there is more variation within a group than between groups.
Let's use chess as an example. Two sides, black and white. Within the white pieces there are 6 variations, king queen pawn rook bishop and knight, that's a lot of variation within the group. Now look at the other pieces and you will find they have the same variation. Now look at the groups side by side, as a whole, is there more variation between the two groups, or within the two groups?

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