Fun fact: Dedicated chess artificial intelligences running without active limitations on their programs have surpassed the performance of chess Grand Masters since 1997. The gap has only grown since then, and as of 2025 it has been deemed utterly insurmountable for any human.

@Aco But not impossible, luck is still a factor. Even a dumb human can strike gold accidentally.

@Jazzy_Butts@gameliberty.club The last time a human won against one of these was in 2005. They had 3 chess grand masters play 4 games each against “Fritz 8,” a top performing chess AI at that time. They gave the AI a handicap by calling draws a point for the humans. The AI won 8 to 4, and of the 4 points scored by the humans only one was an actual win. Ever since it has been total AI domination over chess.

@Aco Chess is more than the pieces or the hardline rules of the game, chess is fatige, it is stress, it is concern and panic when you're cornered, chess is cutthroat, a man might send another man to rent a room in the hotel next to the room his opponent is in to intentionally abuse him with noise all night long to disrupt his thinking the following day. A human can simply open the machine, pour a cup of water into it, making it effectively braindead, and then declare themselves the winner by default.

@Jazzy_Butts@gameliberty.club I mean then you’re not talking about chess anymore. That’s like saying that shooting the lead player of a soccer team allowing you to win the coming game makes you better at soccer.

No one is arguing that computers are dominant in humans over general ability to succeed. Chess is a fully deterministic game, and grand masters will tell you that the metaphor of chess for real life strategy is a joke. The reasons computers are dominant is precisely because it involves brute force memory and calculation at the highest levels of play. Those that can plan the most moves ahead win. All other strategies involved are just for getting the edge on those that can calculate a similar number of moves at once to you.

@Aco Ok so what if a human used an AI coach to make every move, and beat the computer that way. Would that count as a win for the human?

@Jazzy_Butts@gameliberty.club That would be the human cheating. You can’t be given outside advice for a game. That’s actually pretty much how cheating in official chess tournaments happens

@Aco So what if the human implanted machine brains into its own brain that were equal to the computer, these are prosthetics, would that count as a win? And if not, is not the computers win invalidated for the same reason, that it is comprised of prosthetics?