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@ity Benzo withdrawal can physically kill a person like alcohol withdrawal and they will die from seizures. Heroin is a little boo boo owie got the flu for a week, it's not even comparable imo.
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@Jazzy_Butts Opioid withdrawal can cause seizures, and symptoms which if unattended to can cause death - unsure what your point is.
Additionally, this is a general poll, heroin is one of many opioids.
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@ity That's....hmmmmmmm.............I will have to read more to see if you're right
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@ity Yea no I double checked you are confusing tremors with seizures, just because a junkie is shaking they are not having a seizure. A seizure is to a tremor what a tsunami is to a wave.
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@ity I understand the study but this doesn't appear to be controlled and I'm not reading all that if it's not scientific, it sounds like they're dealing with street users who are using contaminated opiates, the contamination is what is causing the problems. Until this gets figured out it's just data. Could be opiates causing the seizures, something the entire world would be aware of if it were a thing, or it could be adulterants, especially if those adulterants are benzos and the users are habitual.
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@Jazzy_Butts The linked article *is* scientific, as it is from a peer-reviewed scientific journal.
Seizures being caused by adulterants is possible, as the paper notes:
> Cheap alternatives like barbiturates, benzodiazepines, and ketamine can be obtained in the market and are usually mixed with a smack, to increase the quantity and reduce the price per gram. While the patient is using smack in a dependent pattern, along with opioids, unknowingly he also becomes dependent on barbiturates and benzodiazepines, and sudden cessation of all of these leads to withdrawal seizure.
And that's a valid theory, though we lack evidence to prove it's specifically this theory, as they go on to name several others. It is atypical, though, that I concede.
I would say presence/lack of seizures is not a very good indication of the lethality of withdrawal from a particular substance, though. There's probably a correlation, but so will there be between lethality and other properties. Nor was I specifically asking about lethality, though if you have sources backing up benzos addiction being generally more lethal than opioid addiction (percentile of users addicted to substance dying due to withdrawal), I'd like to see, and that's a perfectly valid background info to provide for what to choose in the poll.
My main reasoning behind the poll was to assess how bad opioid withdrawal generally is for others, since I can't really experience it easily, unlike benzos withdrawal - to get data to use to compare my atypical brain to.