@Humpleupagus trolley*

And, in a lot ways, yes it is. They’re called “decision points,” where you must make a decision from a limited number of real options, you can’t put it off any longer, and your choice counts. In the most interesting decision points, all options have pros and cons. You think that you can escape the seriousness of decision points by shouting nonsense like “option 3) YOU ARE A NIGGER” but you can’t.

@bajax @LukeAlmighty @dave

You are both missing the point here. The Trolley Problem is a dilemma where you’re asking someone to take some murderous action that has a utilitarian benefit. Five people dying is objectively worse than one person dying, but to get that one-person result, you have to condemn someone to death.

You can change the scenario in the trolley problem slightly, so instead of pulling a lever, you are pushing someone off an overpass onto the tracks, to try to get a more precise picture of their morals. And you can keep making small changes like this, as luke was alluding to.

But that’s a dumb fucking copout, because neet wasn’t asking out of some genuine intellectual curiosity to try to better understand my position, he was trying to get concessions so I would soften my position on his mass murder takes.

Neet, you are retarded for sticking to this “mass murder is good because equity programs, actually” line of reasoning, and Luke you are retarded for trying to steelman his position as just trying to get a better understanding of my position, when it should be clear that he wasn’t.

@dave @bajax @Humpleupagus @LukeAlmighty @NEETzsche The trolley problem is a test for compliance. Will you do it? what we tell you to do? no matter what?
It's basically a shit-test to know how willing you are to blindly obey the shittiest unethical orders.

@mystik @bajax @LukeAlmighty @dave @NEETzsche They also take place in a vacuum, they're perfect information games, and the subject is always pushed towards adopting a utilitarian perspective.

@Humpleupagus @bajax @dave @NEETzsche @mystik
Oh, who would have guessed, that a thought experiment does not contain a cinematic multiverse containing origin stories of planets placed 78 light years away from the lever.