Ok, this is driving me insane.
What do you see church to be?

Church is more regionalized than people want to admit. I'm in LDS, but I can all but guarantee a lot of the ideas specific to LDS would come off as completely bizarre to, say, Europeans. LDS is distinctly North American and it's likely going to stay that way.

@NEETzsche
I am asking because of the new video from Jordan Peterson.
youtu.be/e7ytLpO7mj0?t=510
At 8:30, he outright says, Go support globohomo organization that is church, even if they don't represent anything you consider to be valuable...

And that made me pull my hair.

Anyway, to double respond. I watched the whole thing. Most of it is telling the "Churches" to get their act together, which I agree. That being said, if you want any chance of getting anywhere civilizationally you're going to have to invest some trust somewhere. I actually agree with the totality of this message.

That being said, there is an element of choice going on. You must compromise, as we all must. However, there are many Churches. So, pick the one you think is most correct.
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@NEETzsche
Yeah... I would obviously not mind joining some community group, but the fact, that it would be connected to religeous aspect would made it unbelievabely toxic.

Not to mention, I used to go to a roman catholic primary schol. They were the most leftie people I've met in my life.

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My Church is politically rather right wing, by and large, but there are some leftoids in it. If you don't believe in God in the first place, much less the particulars of Christianity, don't bother with Church. It isn't for you, in that case. And I'm not saying this as some sort of condemnation, just more as a matter of fact; imagine going to a _Yu Gi Oh!_ tournament not giving a single shit about _Yu Gi Oh!_ The only people who might do that are the exact kind of "toxic" leftoids you so want to evade.

@NEETzsche
Thanks.
That was exactly the part, that was so shocking to me in his video. :smoge:

I think there is merit to a return to religion, but the thing is, if you don’t believe in it in the first place, why bother? One of the things LDS does is baptisms for the dead. We collect genealogical records dating back millennia, literally, and then have a ordinance (ritual) to baptize by proxy those people who were never baptized on Earth. This is a long and painstaking process.

Now, just for the sake of argument, assume that I thought this was bullshit. Again, why bother? Truthfully, there would be no reason. It would objectively a waste of time if what my faith obliged me to do were not based in reality. So religions, and in particular demanding religions such as my own, naturally filter for those people who think that it’s actually correct. My Church activities have made my personal life more, not less, difficult. This isn’t to say that there are no temporal or Earthly benefits, but if I were treating my Church time as a business venture or something of that nature I would regard it as a failure.

So instead of proselytizing you, I’m going to tell you that if your goal is community, pursue zones with common interests; hobby zones, professional organizations, that sort of thing. There are plenty of secular things to do if you think that religion is a load of crap.

@NEETzsche @LukeAlmighty Religion is highly heritable and linked with activity in the brain. The point of religion is not community it is to be the moral foundation of a society, to make its people virtues and honorable. The religious decline in the west is a result of the industrial revolution because of the dysgenics it causes. Those who considered it bullshit before putting up with it for the sake of social status and social expectations which has now been inverted, the expectation now is an absence of religion (or at least Christianity), it is cool to be secular not religious.
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