@yangwenli
Yeah, eating normally isn't exactly easy these days.

@LukeAlmighty huh? Just buy frozen veggies and eat chicken instead of pork and you wont struggle. It's that simple. No sauce no potatoes

@yangwenli
Experts say otherwie.
https://www.piratewires.com/p/tufts-food-compass

@LukeAlmighty all I know is that peas and chicken will never make you fat.

@LukeAlmighty (unless you fry it or something, just put it in the oven)

@yangwenli
What frozen veggies do you mean?
Can you send a photo of the package :D

@LukeAlmighty I eat these every day

@yangwenli
Thank you

@LukeAlmighty all I change is if I eat fish with it or chicken (fish is very important)

@yangwenli
Also, I did a serious mistake, when I fell for the "bulking" advice.

@yangwenli
You know... I trusted the experts. What a great idea that always ends up being

@LukeAlmighty I listened to my mom

@LukeAlmighty isnt that a thing body builders do? If you dont move much or do much exercise all you can really do is just cut down on calories. And only eating veggies with no potatoes is the fastest, most healthy way.

@yangwenli
Yes, I wanted to get in shape, and of course the clear advice is: Get fat first :D

@LukeAlmighty well I know a guy who was fat first and then became a muscle man so you could ask him. He is proof it works: @Kagekokoro
But his workout is probably very very frequent and he just never stopped doing it

@LukeAlmighty @yangwenli @LukeAlmighty uh... why am I tagged here? Im very confused right now
I am not the muscle man you are talking about... am i?

@yangwenli
I am sorry, I have no idea how it happened.

@yangwenli @Kagekokoro
Yes. My problem is, that losing weight is the most de-motivating hard shit I've seen since university study. It might be easy for some, but I've been strougling for years now.

I am working on it, and I will try your advice.

@LukeAlmighty @Kagekokoro if the veggies make you depressed add some spices. That usually does the trick for me

@LukeAlmighty @yangwenli @LukeAlmighty
Absolutely agree, nothing like a little chilli flakes to make the veggies both less boring and better metabolically speaking.
Eating chilli at night will help your metabolism speed up a little, thus easing the weight loss

@LukeAlmighty @LukeAlmighty @yangwenli
Its only demotivating when you dont get results, if you weigh yourself once a week and see the weight going down slowly but surely, it motivates the heck out of anybody, not to mention that at some point you will start to see the change and notice clothes fitting different

@LukeAlmighty @LukeAlmighty @yangwenli @Kagekokoro
Have you tried any sort of limited fasting yet?
Like only eat in the afternoon or eat for one day and then fast for 2 or 3?
Works for some people since it's hard to cram a caloric surplus into that short a timeframe.

@LukeAlmighty @special-boy @yangwenli @LukeAlmighty i would not recommend that approach, its not really sustainable for most people, I would think it better to count calories and slowly develop a feel for the caloric density of food

@LukeAlmighty @Kagekokoro @yangwenli @LukeAlmighty
I do the only eat between 12 and 18 thing and it's not hard at all.
But I have decent impulse control, good metabolism and no real reason outside of generally being annoyed at breakfast.

@LukeAlmighty @special-boy @yangwenli @LukeAlmighty fasting would not work for my lifestyle
I know it works (of course it does, you are basically restricting the amount of calories you eat) but its not sustainable (if done extremely, like with the 2 days fast example) and can seriously fuck up your metabolism long term

@LukeAlmighty @yangwenli @Kagekokoro I had good success with red light therapy and the leptin reset stuff, from this thread back in November

poa.st/@CatLord/posts/APFe4RJ2cMhVTIF6m0

My appetite reduced significantly, to the point where I was unable to finish meals.

@LukeAlmighty @grey @yangwenli @LukeAlmighty im gonna hard pass on that
just eat less calories than you consume and you are golden for weight loss
no need to complicate things
Hit your daily protein goal
eat your veggies
make sure you eat enough iron and zink (testo boost)
and get your daily 10k steps

@LukeAlmighty @yangwenli Yeah, bulking is pretty unnecessary unless you've been lifting for several years and decent gains can be made even with maintenance calories. The ones that actually need to bulk are twigs that "can't put on weight", which is not the case of you and me.

Needless to say that the biggest proponents of gigabulking are people that have been on steroids for so long that they forgot how a normal human body works.

@grips @yangwenli
Well, I guess everyone can fall for a retarded advice once in a while.

But there's exactly the problem with "expert advice". Experts live a completelly different lifestyle then you, so they have no idea what is important.

And randos can be retarded. So, that makes making an informed decision pretty much impossible these days.