I have never heard a single coherent argument for abortion not being murder.

@Eris
Is a fetus a person? And at what stage of pregnancy does a fetus receive personhood status?

@alyx Yes. At the beginning.

@Eris
Why is it a person? What makes someone a person?

@alyx a person is a discrete human being

@Eris
In that case we have a fundamental different understanding of what constitutes personhood. As such, this discussion cannot proceed any further. Also, you'll have some explaining to do when humanity discovers intelligent extraterrestrials, of our level or higher.

@alyx
>In that case we have a fundamental different understanding of what constitutes personhood.
In that case you are insane and all your arguments are incoherent. Thank you for proving my point.

@Eris
I didn't even make an argument. I only asked some question to gauge your level of intelligence and open mindedness to see if it's even worth making an argument.

@alyx My mind is not open to arguments based on a misunderstanding of what a human is.

@Eris
I asked about personhood, not humanity.

@alyx Same thing.

@Eris
Nope. You can call a strand of hair human, but you can't call it a person.

@alyx There is no object that is identifiable as "human" that is not a part of some person.

@Eris
Congrats, you just agreed with me that "person" is not the same as "human". As you just discovered yourself, "human" is a subclass of "person".

@alyx No, I disagree with you.

@Eris
Saying "human object is part of person" excludes the other way around being possible. Which makes it impossible for person = human.