TL;DR post about the discussions surrounding abortion
I remember another discussion touching on abortion I had a few years back. I think it was on Twitter.
I think it was with a lady, that stated that the responsible thing to do in case of an unwanted pregnancy was aborting it. My position was that abortion was running away from responsibility, and instead raising the baby was actually taking responsibility for your actions.
Of course the second I deemed abortion as an irresponsible act, she automatically assumed I was pro-life/anti-abortion.
Here's the thing, If you're gonna attempt mind reading, and think you can state my position for me, I will absolutely refuse to touch that topic for the rest of the conversation. I shall not suffer mind readers. I shall only make it clear that you are poorly inferring a position that I clearly did not state I hold. Even IF, by some universal luck, you happen to guess my exactly nuanced position (which has yet to happen in my life as far as I can remember), I shall not state anything further than that you attempted a mind read, until you present me a quote of me having previously stated that I hold that exact position.
This time around I didn't even come close to discussing abortion. All I really wanted to do is hopefully point out that people can use words differently, and there are minor inconsistencies in some arguments, both of which can leave people from both camps (and sometimes even people from the same camp) ending up talking past each other. But all some people were interested in was accusing others and mind reading their position.
There are some very bad arguments, on both sides. That's something I do agree on.There's literally a few arguments I keep hearing from pro-choice side that I hate more than every pro-life argument I've ever heard. They feel like more of an ear-rape to me than any "but muh god" I've ever heard. And the reason for that is because I feel that they're badly thought out and they bring any discussion to a standstill and potentially regress any progress made towards a mutual understanding. Why are those arguments bad? Because of the same kinds of minor inconsistencies and a difference in understanding of words.
What I wouldn't give for at least one side of this argument to do things right. I somehow manage to feel betrayed by both camps.
I dislike abortion almost as much as the average Christian, and while I wouldn't call all abortion murder, I certainly don't view any of it as a moral action to take.
Meanwhile, pro-choicers do try to be more scientific about it, and actually do think about some of the nuances that are important for real-life implementation of any law surrounding abortion.
But ultimately, both sides manage to screw things up, by taking things to one extreme or the other, completely missing other even more important nuances and usually completely ignoring what the opposition is trying to say, or how they would feel about the arguments being made.
So am I pro-choice/pro-abortion or pro-life/anti-abortion? Much like other discussions, the abortion topic is dominated by ideological morons. So I say, fuck both sides. I'm with neither of you. And if you don't like it, you can fuck off.