@alyx don't @ me

@alyx i keep being told there's other groups trying to organize the same in the US and i just cringe because all that would happen if they did is they'd just fold it in to the white supremacy narrative the FBI is lying about and use it as an excuse to pass more shit.

i honestly have no idea how you kill the leviathan.

@icedquinn @alyx By actually firing the guns.

@Zergling_man @alyx that works for the first round and then they counter with martial law up the ass and everyone immediately runs to their bunkers until the end of time.

@Zergling_man @alyx the ideal state is that the population prefers the liberty side of liberty or death and isn’t willing to give up what was paid for in blood just because someone might get sick or someone is a creeper.

this is why its weird they didn’t character assassinate first. that’s typically what you do prior to jackbooting because if people sympathize with the protesters then stomping over grannies will actually make you the asshole and damage your right to rule. this trudau plan of just relying on a blackout might have worked if the cops themselves weren’t bragging about their own violence (and like… is this the psycho squad genuinely thinking they are good? or is some mountie backhandedly posting nonsense just to get it past the blockade. who knows.)

if you just up and shoot trudeau with a sniper rifle and you haven’t repudiated him the clowns just play it off as terrorism and everyone believes them.

@icedquinn
I heard from Timmy that it's supposed to happen in March.
The white supremacy narrative is already starting to crumble, this could help collapse it faster, so it wouldn't be that bad.

As for killing the leviathan... you basically need to have an entire nation of people that, although know full well that placing Biden/Trudeau in front of a firing squad without a trial is wrong and a violation of human rights, they'll allow it to happen.
It's what we did in '89. It was completely and utterly wrong. It was the only way Romania would have ever have had any semblance of democracy.

Neither USA nor Canada are in any way near close to that.

@alyx i don't think people actually want to be free. they routinely choose to wear shackles and once they're chained up to the wall realize it was a mistake. there are many copes they come up with for this too.

one of these was how everyone in the industry gripes about Adobe's vig but nobody actually did anything about it. they could just accept a momentary loss of productivity to all mass cancel their accounts and buy Serif, or collectively pool funds to just buy out Serif and open it, or just take the money and contract professionals to fix up Krita, but they all keep slapping the irons on and lining up to master adobe because that reward desert is scary.

@alyx maybe the public has limited blame since they typically don't take an interest in topics of warfare. even though The Prince basically outright says that's the domain of leadership. but there's a lot of these things that like

they organize a single big push and these sometimes work against people with less juice. we do manage to get SOPA laws axed at least a couple times before they're rammed through in some giant pork bill. but that's just it. people are just fighting pushes, if they fight at all, and most don't. the enemy is not just making a push, they're fighting a war, and they see the public's push as a momentary setback and go back to work out their next move.

so we see people will do a protest or have a union go on strike and that's more or less all they ever do if they do anything, while the enemy has been cultivating union buster playbooks and the public hasn't really done the war planning to learn that after the first punch it's their turn and if you can't kill them in one shot you're going to need a plan.

and people are just like fucking endlessly surprised that the government shows up with guns as though they ever do anything else

@icedquinn
That's so true it hurts. Who was it that got into trouble for saying blacks basically chose slavery? Was it Kanye West?

@alyx most of the blacks in the south were sold to use by other blacks

@alyx it was still the worst exemplar of slavery in recorded history, admittedly. most every culture has done it but there was very complex machinery regarding varying degrees of minimum expected treatment, people buying themselves out, etc, it was never good to be a slave anywhere but the bulk of the slave population was like, people who lost battles with that nation.

but.. yeah. it's frustrating to see shit like infowars talk half of the talk (repudiating big tech = correct and RMSpilled) but then they just use some other closed platform and its like you bitch you just replaced the known tyrant with someone else who doesn't have the juice to be the tyrant yet

@icedquinn
Regarding American slavery, the older I get, the less I think it's the worst example of slavery in human history. It's just that it's the most well documented practice of slavery we have.

There's too many examples in recent history of social phenomenon, of crimes or diseases that seemingly are at an all time peak in history, but in reality we only feel that's the case because we get way more information about these things happening that we would have even just 20 years ago. So I'm starting to think it's the same effect with American slavery.

We think Americans were absolutely awful because it was recent and everyone knows plenty about it, while the next example of slavery people are likely to think about is Egyptians building the pyramids, and how much do you think the average person actually knows about Ancient Egypt? I'm pretty sure it would be jack shit.

@alyx i think classical slavery was more of an indifference towards the slaves (they were tools) while southern chattel slavery had an explicit race component and this weird divine right to rule over all the negroes just because.

@alyx it also varies cause some societies they were mostly prisoners of war (the punishment for making someone have to invade your tribe) so the right to rule was established by literal might.

when you get in to slave breeding it starts to get a bit troubulesome.

i'm not entirely sure that serfdom or indentures are the worst thing but if i did bring them back for whatever reason it wouldn't be an inheritable trait.

@icedquinn
I'm not sure if the current consensus even still is that Egyptians used slaves to build the pyramids, but I know for certain they had families and it's not like those children were suddenly gonna be accepted in their upper classes. Don't think slave breeding was exclusive to Americans. In fact, I know there's a passage in the Old Testament that basically says: "if your master gives you a wife, and you make kids, you get to be a slave to your master forever".

@alyx it's not exclusively american but if someone starts a fight and loses and you keep them its

when capitalism gets involved everything goes to shit.

@icedquinn
The race and divine right components are not new. American South did it because it was in the Old Testament. And if it got written in the Old Testament, a couple of thousand of years ago, you better believe it was a common thing at that time and probably well before that.

@alyx i don't remember the part of the bible that allows most of that you can have indentures in christianity but there's a lot of rules.

@icedquinn
I think it's sometime after Moses. The divine right is the whole: "you are god's chosen people, now go to these other lands and conquer them, but take the virgin women for yourself, and also you're allowed to get slaves from countries surround you. You can't have slaves of your own people, cause you are superior, cause the whole god's chosen people thing". It also implies a bit of racism, considering Old Testament was all about the "these people are different than you, slaughter them", although yeah, racism as a concept didn't exist for millennia to come.