:blobcatsleepless: wow i made a lot of mistakes like thinking this game was a completely different genre and now everything is fucked beyond repair and it's not enjoyable.
:blobfoxsmug: have you tried gitting gud
:blobcatcoffee: wow why didn't i think of that
i will need to revise my usual policies regarding people, i think.
buying games out of desperation to be allowed any form of human attention has always proven to be a mistake. but i haven't found the correct way to interview people to see if they are "throw you in the ocean" players or mentoring players.

i made the mistake of not phrasing this correctly when it came to dark souls enjoyers and they would say useless stuff like "well we won't do everything for you." turned out, they were ocean players.

:blobcatphoto: quinn, what?

so basically mentoring players are like
:blobcatsadpats2: okay here's an exercize to learn the maps, go and learn how to do that and come back and we'll talk about how to use medicine items.

ocean players are like
:blobfoxcofe: why you no just play 100 ranked matches and git gud? i got gud, how come you are bad?
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@alyx yeah i stopped for years but people on fedi wanted to do stuff so i did stuff. then they pretty much all left to play elden ring.

the first game people were literally butt hurt at me for doing tutorials and learning the game before doing things and then kept getting mad at me for insisting on learning how to find resources before using stuff etc.

another game wasn't too bad there was some degree of "you did it wrong quinn" but for the most part people communicated expectations and still were upset that i insisted on not using something until i had the ability to get them myself.

although those games everyone was playing in a team vs. the world.

the latest one is just a straight up ocean situation in a free-for-all and everyone around are oldbies and speedrunners so when you talk to them they just shrug and are like i dunno bro this is my 80th wipe bro just do optimal play and watch the stock ticker like a hawk bro
@icedquinn @alyx I was just suggesting to do things the way I did the first time. You gonna be poor if you don't know the economy, it's best just to accept it and do the pauper's jobs like catching fish and driving trucks full of ore around
@icedquinn @alyx yeah but we have one. Our neighbor who is also antagonizing the admins has a tractor too, right now I am running numbers on how much power we can generate by burning grass
@s8n @alyx
> antagonizing admins
yeah that community does seem to be a tire fire
@icedquinn @alyx and elsturges is so butthurt he ran against me for finance minister :3
@s8n @alyx he's on an optimal spot for a mason and the only person in the world with a cement mixer. of course he's gonna be rich.
@icedquinn @alyx nah that's not why it's because his butthole clique is powerteching him. We can overcome though, Niklarean is already ready to join the resistance :3
@s8n @alyx it probably would have been more fun as a co-op game.
@icedquinn @alyx I'm only cooperating with you and niklarean and oroperion and his wife, everyone else is the enemy. You should totally join us. I'll let you know the next time something exciting is happening. Right now I'm just cutting grass
@alyx @icedquinn If someone can't elaborate on what they mean by "git gud" or provide actual advice, they themselves are not "gud" and do not know what it means to be good.
@galena @alyx they usually don't know anything or remember a time they didn't know something.
@galena @alyx you see people who have like 30 years of training in C++ espouse how the language is great and nothing bad ever happens because of it and then they proceed to go on about this highly rigorous practice they had to learn to be able to use it without immediately shooting everyone in the room in the face and someone tries to point out the only reason they can do this is because of said rigorous discipline and then they just physically don't understand that people aren't issued this at birth.

it's the reverse of the superhuman problem.

a person who can't fathom how you go from their current world state to someone with more skill thinks that person is superhuman. the person who is already skilled enough to autopilot a task can't fathom the existence of why someone else wouldn't automatically choose optimal things all the time.
@alyx @galena this is the gestalt behind the best swordsman in italy doesn't fear the second, he fears the worst.

the worst doesn't understand the game and will do dumb shit nobody properly trained would do and may or may not get you killed because who the fuck would do the frenchman's double cumsock after you did a venetian hokey pokey
@alyx @galena personally, i've basically given up on the entire concept of getting individualized training. for anything.

i don't even know how you find it these days and its expensive even if you do cause you have to pay out hourly and most of the skills worth knowing they realize how valuable they are so they will gig the shit out of you.
@alyx @galena actually, i still want to die above anything :blobcatthumbsup: but that's neither here nor there.
@alyx @icedquinn I liked Valheim a lot, but it's an extreme time sink and not something to play solo or with randos. It's a bit of a no-life co-op game and it behooves you to help your fellow players rather than grief em like Rust.
@alyx @icedquinn I had a lot of fun with Rust but there's too many systems to keep up with now and it isn't really viable to play as a lone wolf anymore.
@wildgoose @alyx i had reinstalled valheim but then people changed games again instead.
@wildgoose @alyx i don't really care for the genre where you can get rolled by an alpha clan once you log out.
@icedquinn @alyx yea that gets old really quick when you're on the receiving end
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