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>newspapers report that millions of Jews were oppressed or persecuted, all over the place, well before Hitler
>"See this proves the holocaust didn't happen! They were making the 6 million figure up! 6 million jews weren't killed! They made it all up!"
You literally prove with your newspaper clippings that Jews were treated poorly all over Europe. That's all you prove. None of them make claims that there were planned exterminations taking place at that time. So you can't say "they were fabricating a holocaust event before the holocaust". The best you have is a claim that Russia was considering a policy of extermination, but you don't seem to have the corresponding claim of that Russian extermination actively taking place. I would expect that to be front and center, as it would make your claims most believable.
It's baffling that you see these news articles, and you firstly convince yourself that the claims must be false and made up. Europe doesn't have a nice history of treating ethnic minorities well. Especially not Jewish minorities, considering how Christianity put the blame on them for Jesus' death. So is it possible that millions of Jews were being discriminated against in Europe well before Nazi Germany? Of course. Why wouldn't they be? Why would you believe this to be false? Why would you believe this to be so false to where somehow Hitler wouldn't have did the holocaust? If your version is true, that Jews were trying to make this shit up for decades, considering you view Hitler as a saint, capable of seeing through "Jewish deception", why wouldn't he try to get rid of the people creating such lies? It just sounds like all the more reason for Hitler to get rid of them. Even if I give this to you, it still doesn't make sense that this somehow disproves Hitler's holocaust.
I do have to give something to you guys. You did manage to cherry pick a lot of articles with the number "6 million" in them. Good job! Do you want an award?
Why are you people obsessed over a number? If every article said "3 million" you would have been obsessed over that. If they said "10 million", the same. If they said "millions", the same. It's pretty clear to me that it's used more as an approximation, a rough number. Why 6 million, not 5, or 7? My best guess is because 6 is half a dozen. As an european, I always thought it odd that Americans seem to approximate things to "dozens", while I would towards "tens". So if approximating prosecuted jews to dozens or a dozen of millions was too much, it's likely that the obvious number would have been "half a dozen million", but just write it out as 6 million.
I hear a claim "6" has some significance to jews, I don't care enough about religious claims to look into it. Say it's true. So? Just makes them more inclined to approximate stuff towards a half dozen, 6 (million) than towards half a ten, 5 (million). Does that mean that millions of people weren't oppressed before Nazi Germany or that millions of people didn't die in the holocaust? Of course not. It just means that when you know there were A LOT, but probably less then 10 million and more than 1 million, you're just go towards 6 million as the approximation instead of 5 million. Big deal, I don't care. They could come out tomorrow and make the number exactly 6.666.666 and I still wouldn't care.
P.S. I get that you guys are butthurt, but please stop stalking my timeline. Thanks!
We do not argue that only 5 million died during the holocaust. We believe that no jews were systematically killed by homicidal gas chambers. We do not haggle with the numbers we reject deaths of mass extermination entirely.
That is also not our only argument. We make the argument that mass graves have not been sufficiently found and documented at the concentration camps that are accused of being extermination centers to reach the supposed extermination numbers. Mainstream holocaust scholarship says bodies at eastern camps were exhumed and then cremated without a trace. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust#Death_marches
"As the Soviet armed forces advanced, the SS closed down the camps in eastern Poland and tried to conceal what had happened. The gas chambers were dismantled, the crematoria dynamited, and the mass graves dug up and corpses cremated.[389]"
We argue that the homicidal gas chambers are physically impossible by chemistry. archive.org/details/the-chemistry-of-auschwitz/page/11/mode/2up
"why wouldn't he try to get rid of the people creating such lies?"
He did, the plan was to deport them and this plan has comprehensive historical documentation (unlike the holocaust). There was no plan for mass extermination. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madagascar_Plan
So the argument isn't the exact number, it's whether or not systemic mass extermination happened at all, and it didn't.
Very antisemitic.
"I'm not gonna show you proof that the claims of persecution of Jews during the entire history of Europe are Jewish lies, but I'm just gonna state it like a fact, and use that supposed fact to totally argue that the holocaust didn't happen".
If you wanna say that every account of discrimination & persecution of the Jewish people in Europe, before Hitler's reign, were lies spread by the Jews, that's your problem, cause now you have to prove that they were all lies. Good luck, cause you can't even prove that the holocaust was a lie. You're just using your claims of previous Jewish lies as a crutch to say "well if Jews lied that much, it must obviously conclude that they're lying about the holocaust too".