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Seriously though, the Canada euthanasia stories are fucked up.

It somehow does make sense though, that a socialized healthcare, that constantly seeks the cheaper alternatives (cause it's socialized) would try to push for assisted suicide as often as possible, since it's not that expensive to kill someone, and the state doesn't have to bury you either.

But in that case, how come something like this didn't develop before in the European countries that legalized assisted suicide?

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@alyx One of the major differences is that, as far as I'm aware, Canada is the only one where doctors and nurses are allowed to suggest it or bring it up - in most countries, they're not allowed to talk about it unless the patient brings it up. Canada also has the loosest requirements to qualify for it in the world.

@galena
I see. So making an analogy with drug laws, it's like the difference between:
legalizing drug use but not the selling of drugs, which is what other places do;
and the Canadian approach which is basically the Amsterdam of euthanasia.

>constantly seeks the cheaper alternatives (cause it's socialized)
How does that follow?
Everyone seeks cheaper options because humans like optimising stuff.

The entire point behind the current society is efficiency but it introduces new problems just like everything.

@colinsmatt11 @Hyolobrika
>Everyone seeks cheaper options
Yes, and no. People do seek cheaper options, but they still want to meet a minimum standard of quality.
The state doesn't really have that minimum standard of quality.

Your standard of quality is that you're happy. The state's standard of quality is that you don't complain, not that you're happy.

You talk like state is some ominous entity with its own consciousness, it's run by people, and it works like how people think.

> The state's standard of quality is that you don't complain, not that you're happy.
That isn't limited to state, that's almost every human or entity to which you are not significant aka everyone except the people who care about you.
> That isn't limited to state, that's almost every human or entity to which you are not significant
Which is why it might make sense for the people with the power to decide what kind of care you get to be people who care about you. For example, you.
Alternatively, you can rely on your family and friends to help you out if you are struggling to pay.
This doesn't help cases where the entire community is poor, however.

@Hyolobrika
The state doesn't want to spend it's precious budget on your ass, so it constantly attempts to cut corners when it thinks it can. So if that means pressuring you to take a less effective, but much cheaper, medicine to treat whatever you have, it will do it.

The more corrupt your government is, the stronger this effect will be, and it's not limited to the medical field. If you ever end up in ex-communist countries in Eastern Europe, and wonder why our roads are utter shit, the reason is that the government hired the cheapest and worst road workers possible, which in turn use the cheapest and worst materials to build the roads.

@alyx fool that you are you assume it's the people in charge, not forest demon possession :weirdfroth:
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