@Xenophon @alyx It's accurate to his mindset, atheioids conceive of God as a god but with only one.

@Xenophon @book
he's not my creator. Besides, I wouldn't show him respect even if he was. Doesn't deserve it.

@alyx @Xenophon Hitchens predicted this (Not that one the good one.) Atheioids hate God first, then doubt him because of it.

@book @Xenophon
Don't hate god. Just have no respect for the concept. I do have some respect for how a church can bring people together, but you don't really need a god for that. Just a well chosen common goal.

@alyx @Xenophon
>Don't hate god [sic]
>Doesn't deserve it.
https://sleepy.cafe/notice/AONvvFl9bpoKruzMye

@book @Xenophon
Don't know what you wanted to show me. Nothing opens up for me if I click the link.

@alyx @Xenophon It is an image of a nigger backpedaling i.e. you.

@book @Xenophon
You don't need to hate something or someone to be able to acknowledge they don't deserve your respect.

@alyx @Xenophon Fact Check: Those are in fact the same thing!

@book @Xenophon
I disagree.

@alyx @Xenophon You don't get to sorry.

@book @Xenophon
I disagree.

@alyx @Xenophon How?

you expect a level of engagement that most humans are unwilling to provide. There is no answer to this question. The person disagrees because they want to, not because they can logically defend their stance.

@Xenophon @alyx I know, that's why I do it.

you are unique in that most would consider you crazy/trollish, and yet you have the patience of a saint. But also you're a sociopath 😂

@Xenophon @alyx I am a saint.

well we all are, but I get your point.

@Xenophon @alyx @book thank you ,i tried to remote follow @Book but i got an error is that because 2grak ?

Book = Eris = Graf deferates.

@Xenophon @alyx @book i feel safer already

Daniel has your back. What's silly is you and eris, even though might get along.

@kaosktrl @alyx @Xenophon Your administrator's name is Daniel Stevens and he sells your information to feds so he does not get incarcerated for child pornography.

@kaosktrl @Xenophon @alyx Also he is 5'1.

I don't think this is true, but it'd be hilarious if it were.

@Xenophon @book
I mean... I was bored of this conversation before it really started. I'm not really interested in god debates. Haven't been for years.

As for how "hate" is not the same as something/someone earning your respect, I'm amazed this isn't obvious to people. We're not dealing with a love/hate dichotomy here. We're dealing with at least love/hate/indifferent. And that third option is where I mostly am in regard to the god concept these days.

Need I really say anything more? Surely you can understand that such a position is perfectly compatible with not respecting something/someone.

@alyx @Xenophon
>As for how "hate" is not the same as something/someone earning your respect, I'm amazed this isn't obvious to people. We're not dealing with a love/hate dichotomy here. We're dealing with at least love/hate/indifferent. And that third option is where I mostly am in regard to the god concept these days.
Lukewarm is just hate with cope.

@book @Xenophon
Lukewarm is not indifference either. And maybe this is a language barrier, but I understand "lukewarm" as being closer to love than hate.

@alyx @Xenophon To hate something is to reject it. If you are saying something isn't worthy of you, and your respect, that's literally what hating something is.

@alyx @Xenophon Presumably because poor people exist and muh problem of evil boo hoo.

@book @Xenophon
I disagree. I can reject a diet cola but not because I hate it. I'm just not in the mood for cola or something. I disagree with your definition of hatred.

But I can admit that by your definition I would "hate" god. But that's not my definition, and it's not a common definition as far as I can tell.

@alyx @Xenophon
>disrelish
I am going to use this a lot.

Revelation 3:16
So, because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I am going to vomit you out of My mouth.

@Xenophon @book
ok

I can be indifferent to niggers raping and murdering white people. most are.

But to claim indifference to God is cope, imo. I say this as someone who for many many years pretended to be indifferent to God. Being indifferent to the Creator of everything you perceive isn't a rational position, but if you want to pretend it is, I definitely can't augment your outward persona.

@alyx @book @Xenophon You can still respect someone if you don't like them, but respect is fundamentally incompatible with hatred. Unlike love, hatred is a choice which affects you more than what you're hating, and a persistent denial of belief that there exists a higher-order being beyond your immediate perception is more a reflection of you than the world around you.

I'm a bit too drink to read this, but it sounds right. 👍

You don't have to hat everything you don't respect, but Alyx wants to have her cake and eat it also. Tacit admittance that you reject God, but also fear His existence and don't want to piss Him off.

@Xenophon @hrast @book
Not sure where it's implied that I fear the potential of god's existence.

@alyx @Xenophon @hrast It's implied in you saying he doesn't deserve to be worshipped, a classic atheist canard. In the hitchens debate I referenced this point is elaborated on: The problem of evil is just self-hatred, and atheism is just self-defense.
https://youtu.be/ngjQs_QjSwc

Hope this helps (You will have plenty of time to mull it over in hell.)

@book @Xenophon @hrast
Firstly, I said I wouldn't show him respect. I think worship would be on an even higher step than that. But I can treat them as synonymous for now.

Secondly, there's a difference between "I wouldn't respect/worship him" and "he doesn't deserve to be worshiped". The first stems from my personal subjective opinion of god, the second is an objective statement. Whether the Christian god is objectively worthy of worship or not, is beyond my ability to judge. But again, I'll treat these 2 statements as synonymous for now.

I still disagree that me thinking he's unworthy of my respect/worship is proof of me fearing his potential existence. Considering how powerful god is claimed to be, if there was even an inkling of me thinking god could exist, wouldn't it be logical for me to respect him? Isn't that what the basis of Pascal's wager is?

>I wouldn't show the literaly creator of my existence respect.

😂 😂😂😂

Nigger, imagine believing you are original! I spent at least 2 decades being you.

@Xenophon @hrast @book
In what sense do you mean "original"? And how is my statement implying that I believe I'm "original?

@alyx @Xenophon @hrast I have heard the things you are saying from ten thousand angry twelve year olds.

@book @Xenophon @hrast
I didn't start this. I'm fine to end it if that's what you want.

@alyx @Xenophon @hrast
I never end anything.

@book @Xenophon @hrast
ok

it's pretty clear. That your position is somehow a unique perspective. It isn't that you have to believe it is unique either, just the fact that the person you are speaking to. i.e. me, hasn't held this same position before an realized how foolish it was.

It is a foolish position.

@Xenophon @hrast @book
>That your position is somehow a unique perspective.
oh god no. Not at all. And I've made no assumption about your past.

@alyx @Xenophon @hrast

>I still disagree that me thinking he's unworthy of my respect/worship is proof of me fearing his potential existence. Considering how powerful god is claimed to be, if there was even an inkling of me thinking god could exist, wouldn't it be logical for me to respect him? Isn't that what the basis of Pascal's wager is?
If you are a disgusting, horrible person, the proposition of an objective and righteous judge is an existential threat. That is why you are mired in subjectivism: You are fleeing.

@book @Xenophon @hrast
>If you are a disgusting, horrible person, the proposition of an objective and righteous judge is an existential threat.
>IF
And if I'm not?

@alyx @Xenophon @hrast
By your actions of treating it like a threat I can deduce that you are.

@book @Xenophon @hrast
By what actions am I treating it like a threat?

@alyx @Xenophon @hrast

Spite
Motivated by
Hate
Derived from
Cope

@book @Xenophon @hrast
You're deriving a lot of meaning from what started as an obvious joke.

@alyx @Xenophon @hrast Yes, I am!

@book @Xenophon @hrast
Wait... are you proud of that? Not trying to imply that you're committing a sin, rather it's odd to me to see someone proud of jumping to conclusions so hard and pretending to mind read people.