@book @Xenophon @hrast
Firstly, I said I wouldn't show him respect. I think worship would be on an even higher step than that. But I can treat them as synonymous for now.

Secondly, there's a difference between "I wouldn't respect/worship him" and "he doesn't deserve to be worshiped". The first stems from my personal subjective opinion of god, the second is an objective statement. Whether the Christian god is objectively worthy of worship or not, is beyond my ability to judge. But again, I'll treat these 2 statements as synonymous for now.

I still disagree that me thinking he's unworthy of my respect/worship is proof of me fearing his potential existence. Considering how powerful god is claimed to be, if there was even an inkling of me thinking god could exist, wouldn't it be logical for me to respect him? Isn't that what the basis of Pascal's wager is?

>I wouldn't show the literaly creator of my existence respect.

😂 😂😂😂

Nigger, imagine believing you are original! I spent at least 2 decades being you.

@Xenophon @hrast @book
In what sense do you mean "original"? And how is my statement implying that I believe I'm "original?

@alyx @Xenophon @hrast I have heard the things you are saying from ten thousand angry twelve year olds.

@book @Xenophon @hrast
I didn't start this. I'm fine to end it if that's what you want.

@alyx @Xenophon @hrast
I never end anything.

@book @Xenophon @hrast
ok

it's pretty clear. That your position is somehow a unique perspective. It isn't that you have to believe it is unique either, just the fact that the person you are speaking to. i.e. me, hasn't held this same position before an realized how foolish it was.

It is a foolish position.

@Xenophon @hrast @book
>That your position is somehow a unique perspective.
oh god no. Not at all. And I've made no assumption about your past.

@alyx @Xenophon @hrast

>I still disagree that me thinking he's unworthy of my respect/worship is proof of me fearing his potential existence. Considering how powerful god is claimed to be, if there was even an inkling of me thinking god could exist, wouldn't it be logical for me to respect him? Isn't that what the basis of Pascal's wager is?
If you are a disgusting, horrible person, the proposition of an objective and righteous judge is an existential threat. That is why you are mired in subjectivism: You are fleeing.

@book @Xenophon @hrast
>If you are a disgusting, horrible person, the proposition of an objective and righteous judge is an existential threat.
>IF
And if I'm not?

@alyx @Xenophon @hrast
By your actions of treating it like a threat I can deduce that you are.

@book @Xenophon @hrast
By what actions am I treating it like a threat?

@alyx @Xenophon @hrast

Spite
Motivated by
Hate
Derived from
Cope

@book @Xenophon @hrast
You're deriving a lot of meaning from what started as an obvious joke.

@alyx @Xenophon @hrast Yes, I am!

@book @Xenophon @hrast
Wait... are you proud of that? Not trying to imply that you're committing a sin, rather it's odd to me to see someone proud of jumping to conclusions so hard and pretending to mind read people.

@alyx @Xenophon @hrast How dare I judge.

@book @Xenophon @hrast
But it's not the judging I find odd. I find it odd that you're so confident about jumping to conclusions.

@alyx @Xenophon @hrast Unlike you I am not plagued with self-doubt.

@book @Xenophon @hrast
ok

>judging is a sin
>tell me you haven't read the bible without telling me you haven't read the bible.

@Xenophon @hrast @book
I was talking about pride. Pretty sure pride is considered a sin by Christianity.

@alyx @Xenophon @hrast Oh are you pretty sure?

quote it 🤷

@Xenophon @hrast @book
Sorry, I only have a habit of quoting Half-Life stuff.

This is typical. I dont care if you do or dont believe, but you present yourself as having knowledge from an open source material, then fail to provide it. This is so tiresome.

>well isnt this what priests/pastors say? Hurr hurr

Quote it, or it isnt Gods word. I dont care what men say.

@Xenophon @hrast @book
So you're ok with people here over-analyzing my words, and coming to conclusions about what I feel/think, but priests analyzing the scriptures for close to two thousands years, to better understand the god they believe in, and coming to conclusions of their own, is too much for you.

Ok then. Pride is not a sin. I rescind any such allegations.

@alyx @Xenophon @hrast
>over-analyzing
Over what? What did I go over?
>and coming to conclusions about what I feel/think,
Why wouldn't it be okay to come to conclusions about what you feel/think based on what you say to us?
>but priests analyzing the scriptures for close to two thousands years, to better understand the god they believe in, and coming to conclusions of their own, is too much for you.
You could not reference those traditions if you tried.

You know this iant what I said,and the distinction matters. God, the perfect Creator of everything, is not wrong. This is an absolute bar. As such, any claim has to directly involve His words.

So no, i will not accept your interpretation of anothers interpretation on what God "meant" without supporting evidence from His word. There's nothing extreme about this position.

@Xenophon @hrast @book
If you say so.

You jeep trying to make this opinion. You are essentially trying to argue that 2+2=5 while i claim it is 4, and you claim that mathematicians have proofs of it equaling 5, but you wont cite those proofs.

And you see nothing wrong with this.

the kind of pride you're you're
>I don't believe in this but you do
is the pride that comes before the fall of people who think they are smarter or better than god

@Lover @Xenophon @hrast @book
>the kind of pride you're you're
Uhmm... I think I understand what you were trying to say there.
Thing is, I don't take particular pride in my disbelief in god. I take as much pride in that as I do in the shape of my toes.

>think they are smarter or better than god
From my perspective god is a fictional character, so it's kinda hard to take pride in that. I'm definitely more handsome than Peter Griffin or Homer Simpson, but that doesn't really mean much, you know what I mean? I'm not able to see it as an accomplishment.

As for whether I view myself as smarter or better than the Christian god... hhmm... Well, god would have to be the smartest being in existence, as he is supposedly perfect. I personally never had any qualms with his supposed intelligence, and I can't think of anything in particular egregious enough to prove he's less intelligent than your average human, so god can have the title of being smarter than me (although if god could have a say in this, I suspect he'd be insulted of being compared to such low of a bar).

As for "better", that's a complicated matter, cause "better" is a subjective term. Better at what? He'd surely be better at sports. He'd out-lift, out-run and just generally excel at any physical task, far above any human, as a consequence of being defined as an omnipotent being. So without a doubt, god would be better at me at more things than I could count. The only thing where there would be some contention is on matters of morality. But this is where we find ourselves at a massive impasse, because this necessitates defining morality and a butt load of philosophy questions that need solving. The question of whether god is more moral than me or not is ultimately depended on how you define morality. And if you define morality as "abiding by god's word, no matter what he says" or something to that effect, then obviously it would be impossible for me to be better than god in this respect too.

@alyx @Lover @Xenophon @hrast I'm gonna need another blunt for this.

all that cope for such a simple concept

@Lover @Xenophon @hrast @book
I thought it a serious accusation so I treated it seriously. Should I have said "lol no" instead? Cause I can do that to. Lol no.

@alyx @Lover @Xenophon @hrast

>the Christian god
You can just call Him God.

@book @Lover @Xenophon @hrast
Well, I'm not entirely sure which religion everyone here follows, so I can never be sure if we're talking about the same thing. I will use "Christian god" to make it clear this is where I'm coming from, and for people to be able to say "well, I follow something else". At which point, people will go on separate ways.

@alyx @Lover @Xenophon @hrast What's at the top

@book @Lover @Xenophon @hrast
At the top of the thread? Cause that's Kanye talking about Jews.

@alyx @Lover @Xenophon @hrast No, at the top of the top.