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>black people are actually Jew
Oh no... oh no no no... THOSE lunatics got to him?! The
Black Hebrew Israelites?! I thought it was just general, weirdo, conspiracy theory anti-semites. You know, poa.st users. I never suspected the other fuckers.
Imagine thinking hating jews was just a fringe thing weirdos did, and not what God does.
>Don't hate god [sic]
>Doesn't deserve it.
https://sleepy.cafe/notice/AONvvFl9bpoKruzMye
You don't have to hat everything you don't respect, but Alyx wants to have her cake and eat it also. Tacit admittance that you reject God, but also fear His existence and don't want to piss Him off.
https://youtu.be/ngjQs_QjSwc
Hope this helps (You will have plenty of time to mull it over in hell.)
@book @Xenophon @hrast
Firstly, I said I wouldn't show him respect. I think worship would be on an even higher step than that. But I can treat them as synonymous for now.
Secondly, there's a difference between "I wouldn't respect/worship him" and "he doesn't deserve to be worshiped". The first stems from my personal subjective opinion of god, the second is an objective statement. Whether the Christian god is objectively worthy of worship or not, is beyond my ability to judge. But again, I'll treat these 2 statements as synonymous for now.
I still disagree that me thinking he's unworthy of my respect/worship is proof of me fearing his potential existence. Considering how powerful god is claimed to be, if there was even an inkling of me thinking god could exist, wouldn't it be logical for me to respect him? Isn't that what the basis of Pascal's wager is?
>I still disagree that me thinking he's unworthy of my respect/worship is proof of me fearing his potential existence. Considering how powerful god is claimed to be, if there was even an inkling of me thinking god could exist, wouldn't it be logical for me to respect him? Isn't that what the basis of Pascal's wager is?
If you are a disgusting, horrible person, the proposition of an objective and righteous judge is an existential threat. That is why you are mired in subjectivism: You are fleeing.
>tell me you haven't read the bible without telling me you haven't read the bible.
>well isnt this what priests/pastors say? Hurr hurr
Quote it, or it isnt Gods word. I dont care what men say.
@Xenophon @hrast @book
So you're ok with people here over-analyzing my words, and coming to conclusions about what I feel/think, but priests analyzing the scriptures for close to two thousands years, to better understand the god they believe in, and coming to conclusions of their own, is too much for you.
Ok then. Pride is not a sin. I rescind any such allegations.
>over-analyzing
Over what? What did I go over?
>and coming to conclusions about what I feel/think,
Why wouldn't it be okay to come to conclusions about what you feel/think based on what you say to us?
>but priests analyzing the scriptures for close to two thousands years, to better understand the god they believe in, and coming to conclusions of their own, is too much for you.
You could not reference those traditions if you tried.
So no, i will not accept your interpretation of anothers interpretation on what God "meant" without supporting evidence from His word. There's nothing extreme about this position.
And you see nothing wrong with this.
Proves the existence of God by disproving the non-existent of God.
@Xenophon @hrast @book
Ok, I think I understood you better now. I guess that should hold true, I'm just not sure how you'd disprove his non-existance. Something like that would surely be worthy of something akin to a Nobel prize. Good luck in that endeavour. I shall await to read about you in the newspaper.
You seem to be under the impression that humans are rationale actors that follow specific rules and logic. In fact we are naive and fickle,with along history of ignoring truths we dislike as if they dont exist.
I repeat. Math disproves the existence of no God, i.e. it proves the existence of God,and yet people ignore it because evolution sounds cooler.
@Xenophon @hrast @book
You say math disproves the existence of no god, but don't state how, so there really is nothing for me to add here. If your claim is true, I'm sure a scientific paper will become available for me to read in due time on the matter, as this would be one of the most important discoveries of mankind.
Do better
Think better
>I don't believe in this but you do
is the pride that comes before the fall of people who think they are smarter or better than god
@Lover @Xenophon @hrast @book
>the kind of pride you're you're
Uhmm... I think I understand what you were trying to say there.
Thing is, I don't take particular pride in my disbelief in god. I take as much pride in that as I do in the shape of my toes.
>think they are smarter or better than god
From my perspective god is a fictional character, so it's kinda hard to take pride in that. I'm definitely more handsome than Peter Griffin or Homer Simpson, but that doesn't really mean much, you know what I mean? I'm not able to see it as an accomplishment.
As for whether I view myself as smarter or better than the Christian god... hhmm... Well, god would have to be the smartest being in existence, as he is supposedly perfect. I personally never had any qualms with his supposed intelligence, and I can't think of anything in particular egregious enough to prove he's less intelligent than your average human, so god can have the title of being smarter than me (although if god could have a say in this, I suspect he'd be insulted of being compared to such low of a bar).
As for "better", that's a complicated matter, cause "better" is a subjective term. Better at what? He'd surely be better at sports. He'd out-lift, out-run and just generally excel at any physical task, far above any human, as a consequence of being defined as an omnipotent being. So without a doubt, god would be better at me at more things than I could count. The only thing where there would be some contention is on matters of morality. But this is where we find ourselves at a massive impasse, because this necessitates defining morality and a butt load of philosophy questions that need solving. The question of whether god is more moral than me or not is ultimately depended on how you define morality. And if you define morality as "abiding by god's word, no matter what he says" or something to that effect, then obviously it would be impossible for me to be better than god in this respect too.
@book @Lover @Xenophon @hrast
Well, I'm not entirely sure which religion everyone here follows, so I can never be sure if we're talking about the same thing. I will use "Christian god" to make it clear this is where I'm coming from, and for people to be able to say "well, I follow something else". At which point, people will go on separate ways.
