I relate on a profound level.

@book
>black people are actually Jew
Oh no... oh no no no... THOSE lunatics got to him?! The
Black Hebrew Israelites?! I thought it was just general, weirdo, conspiracy theory anti-semites. You know, poa.st users. I never suspected the other fuckers.

> I thought it was just general, weirdo, conspiracy theory anti-semites.

Imagine thinking hating jews was just a fringe thing weirdos did, and not what God does.

@Xenophon @book
god is a fringe weirdo.

capitalize it. Show respect for your creator.

@Xenophon @book
he's not my creator. Besides, I wouldn't show him respect even if he was. Doesn't deserve it.

@alyx @Xenophon Hitchens predicted this (Not that one the good one.) Atheioids hate God first, then doubt him because of it.

@book @Xenophon
Don't hate god. Just have no respect for the concept. I do have some respect for how a church can bring people together, but you don't really need a god for that. Just a well chosen common goal.

@alyx @Xenophon
>Don't hate god [sic]
>Doesn't deserve it.
https://sleepy.cafe/notice/AONvvFl9bpoKruzMye

@book @Xenophon
You don't need to hate something or someone to be able to acknowledge they don't deserve your respect.

@alyx @book @Xenophon You can still respect someone if you don't like them, but respect is fundamentally incompatible with hatred. Unlike love, hatred is a choice which affects you more than what you're hating, and a persistent denial of belief that there exists a higher-order being beyond your immediate perception is more a reflection of you than the world around you.

I'm a bit too drink to read this, but it sounds right. 👍

You don't have to hat everything you don't respect, but Alyx wants to have her cake and eat it also. Tacit admittance that you reject God, but also fear His existence and don't want to piss Him off.

@Xenophon @hrast @book
Not sure where it's implied that I fear the potential of god's existence.

@alyx @Xenophon @hrast It's implied in you saying he doesn't deserve to be worshipped, a classic atheist canard. In the hitchens debate I referenced this point is elaborated on: The problem of evil is just self-hatred, and atheism is just self-defense.
https://youtu.be/ngjQs_QjSwc

Hope this helps (You will have plenty of time to mull it over in hell.)

@book @Xenophon @hrast
Firstly, I said I wouldn't show him respect. I think worship would be on an even higher step than that. But I can treat them as synonymous for now.

Secondly, there's a difference between "I wouldn't respect/worship him" and "he doesn't deserve to be worshiped". The first stems from my personal subjective opinion of god, the second is an objective statement. Whether the Christian god is objectively worthy of worship or not, is beyond my ability to judge. But again, I'll treat these 2 statements as synonymous for now.

I still disagree that me thinking he's unworthy of my respect/worship is proof of me fearing his potential existence. Considering how powerful god is claimed to be, if there was even an inkling of me thinking god could exist, wouldn't it be logical for me to respect him? Isn't that what the basis of Pascal's wager is?

@alyx @Xenophon @hrast

>I still disagree that me thinking he's unworthy of my respect/worship is proof of me fearing his potential existence. Considering how powerful god is claimed to be, if there was even an inkling of me thinking god could exist, wouldn't it be logical for me to respect him? Isn't that what the basis of Pascal's wager is?
If you are a disgusting, horrible person, the proposition of an objective and righteous judge is an existential threat. That is why you are mired in subjectivism: You are fleeing.

@book @Xenophon @hrast
>If you are a disgusting, horrible person, the proposition of an objective and righteous judge is an existential threat.
>IF
And if I'm not?

@alyx @Xenophon @hrast
By your actions of treating it like a threat I can deduce that you are.

@book @Xenophon @hrast
By what actions am I treating it like a threat?

@alyx @Xenophon @hrast

Spite
Motivated by
Hate
Derived from
Cope

@book @Xenophon @hrast
You're deriving a lot of meaning from what started as an obvious joke.

@alyx @Xenophon @hrast Yes, I am!

@book @Xenophon @hrast
Wait... are you proud of that? Not trying to imply that you're committing a sin, rather it's odd to me to see someone proud of jumping to conclusions so hard and pretending to mind read people.

>judging is a sin
>tell me you haven't read the bible without telling me you haven't read the bible.

@Xenophon @hrast @book
I was talking about pride. Pretty sure pride is considered a sin by Christianity.

quote it 🤷

@Xenophon @hrast @book
Sorry, I only have a habit of quoting Half-Life stuff.

This is typical. I dont care if you do or dont believe, but you present yourself as having knowledge from an open source material, then fail to provide it. This is so tiresome.

>well isnt this what priests/pastors say? Hurr hurr

Quote it, or it isnt Gods word. I dont care what men say.

@Xenophon @hrast @book
So you're ok with people here over-analyzing my words, and coming to conclusions about what I feel/think, but priests analyzing the scriptures for close to two thousands years, to better understand the god they believe in, and coming to conclusions of their own, is too much for you.

Ok then. Pride is not a sin. I rescind any such allegations.

You know this iant what I said,and the distinction matters. God, the perfect Creator of everything, is not wrong. This is an absolute bar. As such, any claim has to directly involve His words.

So no, i will not accept your interpretation of anothers interpretation on what God "meant" without supporting evidence from His word. There's nothing extreme about this position.

@Xenophon @hrast @book
If you say so.

You jeep trying to make this opinion. You are essentially trying to argue that 2+2=5 while i claim it is 4, and you claim that mathematicians have proofs of it equaling 5, but you wont cite those proofs.

And you see nothing wrong with this.

@Xenophon @hrast @book
Comparing "god's word" to mathematics is a bit much for me. I'm noping out.
Your "god's word" is already tainted from the start by being written, edited and translated by humans. Any objectivity that "god's word" might have had, has been long gone and lost.