@rimugu
Playing devil's advocate: it's not uncommon for the same medication or drug to have different effects based on the dosage used.
Use high dosage Lupron, and you completely burn out the hormonal system permanently, to achieve chemical castration.
Low dosage Lupron, impedes the hormonal system, but doesn't irreversibly affect it.

End of playing devil's advocate.

Personally, I'm not convinced that using it in low dosage has no negative effect, or even no serious negative effect, on the bodies of children.

In any case, to me this whole question is a moot point anyway, as children simply don't have the mental capacity to understand matters of gender and sex. As such they can't possibly know for sure that a "trans" identity would fit themselves for the rest of their life, and they also can't consent to these procedures.

@alyx @rimugu

> as children simply don't have the mental capacity to understand matters of gender and sex. As such they can't possibly know for sure that a "trans" identity would fit themselves for the rest of their life, and they also can't consent to these procedures.

What do you base this on?

@animeirl @rimugu
So you think a child can consent to sex? If they can't consent to sex, why would their ability to understand not only sex, but also gender and it's relation to their sexual physiology, be any more developed?

@animeirl @rimugu
Then you're brain dead.

Intercourse is directly connected to your sexual physiology, and gender also has to do with one's feelings and relationship to the same sexual physiology. You can't disconnect them.

@alyx @rimugu counterpoint: denying medical treatment to children is child abuse
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@animeirl @rimugu
Counterpoint: you're a moron.

You're advocating for a medical treatment, when you literally cannot establish that the patient actually suffers from a mental disorder that would require that treatment.

And you cannot establish that the patient suffers from the disorder, because there is no objective means to diagnose it, and the only form of diagnosis relies deeply on the person itself understanding their sex, their gender, and the relationship between their sex and gender. Things that a minor simply would not be able to grasp.

As such, any attempt to diagnose this mental disorder would undeniably result in child abuse that is likely much more serious.

And that's ignoring the fact that the supposed treatment looks less and less like it's actually safe to use anyway. So it can also be argued, that pushing an unproven treatment is the actual abusive stance to take.

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