@mactonite @Haku @matrix Wrong. That's the same sort of justification for rape- the stigma is harmful (or more harmful) but the action is not.
That video is possibly the worst thing I have ever seen.
We also limit the ability even of adults when we do not believe they can understand what they are consenting to. In an obvious case, retards are cannot consent because they don't understand what they're doing. When a normal adult is put into a contract in which they did not reasonably have the ability to understand, that contract is typically thrown out in a court of law.
For example, if a doctor convinces an adult into "consenting" to a life changing surgery without that person reasonably understanding it, they didn't truly consent.
It is PERHAPS possible that there is a child somewhere positioned at some point in time that does or did actually have both the knowledge and practical understanding of sex to have informed consent. Because children obviously lack knowledge, and almost certainly lack the ability to understand as a result both of their immaturity and lack of knowledge, it is reckless to say that they consent to certain things(like contracts or sex).
The argument that development, knowledge, and maturity are sliding scales and so arbitrary and subjective is divisive and immoral. It is to say that there can be a circumstance in which it is wrong, but that because it is difficult to "tell precisely" the exact moment when it's okay that all should be permitted. It is a fallacy.
The arbitrary ages that legal systems come up with are numbers given as a cut off to reasonably ensure that rape and gross violations of rights and consent occur as infrequently as possible.
That video is possibly the worst thing I have ever seen.
Children can consent!
Let kids make their own choices, OK?
We also limit the ability even of adults when we do not believe they can understand what they are consenting to. In an obvious case, retards are cannot consent because they don't understand what they're doing. When a normal adult is put into a contract in which they did not reasonably have the ability to understand, that contract is typically thrown out in a court of law.
For example, if a doctor convinces an adult into "consenting" to a life changing surgery without that person reasonably understanding it, they didn't truly consent.
It is PERHAPS possible that there is a child somewhere positioned at some point in time that does or did actually have both the knowledge and practical understanding of sex to have informed consent. Because children obviously lack knowledge, and almost certainly lack the ability to understand as a result both of their immaturity and lack of knowledge, it is reckless to say that they consent to certain things(like contracts or sex).
The argument that development, knowledge, and maturity are sliding scales and so arbitrary and subjective is divisive and immoral. It is to say that there can be a circumstance in which it is wrong, but that because it is difficult to "tell precisely" the exact moment when it's okay that all should be permitted. It is a fallacy.
The arbitrary ages that legal systems come up with are numbers given as a cut off to reasonably ensure that rape and gross violations of rights and consent occur as infrequently as possible.
@Sudononymous @mactonite @Haku @matrix jesus christ youre contorting the argument. parents should be doing what is best for their children. you can discipline a child into learning safety and moderation and still be a shit parent by neglecting their mental and emotional needs.
@Sudononymous @Haku @mactonite @matrix and yes, sex is an area a lot of parents get wrong, parents never want to talk about it so kids learn to feel ashamed of their natural reproductive system, and they dont have a good example set for them, so god knows where they'll learn what they need to make informed choices
the whole "kids are irresponsible and can't make good choices" is a self-fulfilling prophecy due to how parents never let their children make choices.
the whole "kids are irresponsible and can't make good choices" is a self-fulfilling prophecy due to how parents never let their children make choices.
@wowaname @Haku @mactonite @matrix When children are able to make their own choices they do dangerous things and thing they regret later in life, because they do not understand the consequences of their actions. For example, a child will not sufficiently learn why it's important to brush their teeth regularly until it's too late and the damage is done.
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@Sudononymous @wowaname @matrix @mactonite@neckbeard.xyz Another example would be: "a woman doesn't know she'll be happier as a wife and mother than whoring around or working, but won't know it until her best years are spent", which is why it was historically common for people to marry them off young
