"nooo you cant say the holocaust was fake!!!! thats horrible, there are thousands of images proving that nazis were murdering jews and gays!!!!"
"lmao the holodomer was faked and all the images aren't real"

"nooo you cany say the holodomer was fake!!!! thats horrible, there are thousands of images proving that the ukrainians were being overworked and starved!!!"
"lmao the holocaust was faked and all the images aren't real"
@Mysha
>there are thousands of images proving that the ukrainians were being overworked and starved
Post, that's all I'm asking

@Spag @Mysha Does anyone at all deny the fact he: increased their quotas during a draught, punished anyone for having grain for themselves, shot people that tried to leave, had massive grain reserves so had no reason for the quotas and could easily have let them all live?

I don't think the pictures are really the important evidence here. Pictures in general are just shitty evidence. We have pictures of Bigfoot

The "debate" around it is whether this counts as deliberate killing (it does)

@applejack @Mysha
>increased their quotas during a draught
>punished anyone for having grain for themselves
>shot people that tried to leave
>had massive grain reserves so had no reason for the quotas and could easily have let them all live

Hearsay without sources until you provide them, or are you just trusting mainstream media on this?
@Spag @applejack Spag lemme just say all these arguments are literally the same arguments that i hear from otso, char, and apple against the holocaust, if you can argue that the holocaust happened then you surely can argue that the holodomer also happened and vice versa
@Mysha @applejack That is true, and I hear the same, so I went looking for sources on the holocaust and found even the fucking blueprint of the camps, in the original german.

Show me sources. I have looked up the ones you provided and they are all "US said X", the same US that publishes "north koreans have to push trains"

@Spag @Mysha The camps existed, that's not the fake claim, it's that they were death camps

@applejack @Spag is it not at all suspicious that the germans, who had alot of problems with jews, trying their hardest to get them out of germany and when that didnt succeed they instead started making camps where they harbored jews and several other "impure" people inside germany and other nazi controlled areas

@Mysha @Spag If they did, there'd probably be some evidence of systemic killings

Any documents, any communications, any mass graves, "death" chambers with actual cyanide traces, anything, and you'd probably have a more consistent story from the allies

Instead they concentrated them instead of just killing them, spent resource to keep them alive, rabbit breeding programs, concerts, swimming pools, even infirmaries, and actual records of them worrying about the typhus problem and their wellbeing

They couldn't really get them out of Germany during a war and they needed labour anyways :tanya_snez:

@applejack @Spag every country from poland to france, that were involved in the fatherland all agree that the nazis killed people the only people that disagree are nazis themselves

and on that note back to what i was saying about how its stupid for them to make camps and keep people they hate; Unless they literally planned on feeding them constantly, which they were already struggling to feed their own people i see no reason why they would keep them inside germany
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@Mysha @Spag It's literally illegal to say anything else (for some reason) :tanya_really:

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@applejack @Spag It really isnt, ive met german, french, and polish nazis that all argue the same shit as you are arguing
@applejack @Spag Its illegal to own mein kampf, nazi flags, and other nazi memorabilia in germany (which hasnt stopped them from flying other flags and going out in public and supporting nazism anyways)
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