@fluffy @Nirty_Digger the ridiculous thing is that it's $20/hr (plus tips) for a ***pizza delivery driver***. that's all you do, you just drive the pizza and occasionally answer the phone. if i could drive i'd take up that shit in a heartbeat. that was like a minimum wage job for a long time but nobody wants to do it anymore so they have to keep increasing the wages.

$20/hr + tips is still pretty good, especially for the typical person that would be doing the job which is either someone who is pretty young or desperate for a job. maybe not in california or new york but at least where i live it's totally acceptable. if you were working full time you could totally sustain yourself as an individual and maybe even a kid if you really had to. you could rent a one bedroom apartment with your wife and kid and trade off work shifts, very easy. and a pizza delivery guy is not a hard job at all.

> $20/hr + tips is still pretty good, especially for the typical person that would be doing the job
if it's a pretty good offer why is nobody quitting their job to take it

> which is either someone who is pretty young or desperate for a job.
pay that you need to be desperate to accept is not pretty good pay
the type of job it is doesn't make the pay better or worse.

>if you were working full time you could totally sustain yourself as an individual and maybe even a kid if you really had to. you could rent a one bedroom apartment with your wife and kid and trade off work shifts, very easy.
"you can rent (but not own) a large closet to share with your wife and child"
how compelling.

tell me, with this pay after taxes, if you saved everything, how long would it take to save up enough to buy a small house?

>tell me, with this pay after taxes, if you saved everything, how long would it take to save up enough to buy a small house?

twenty years. the answer is twenty years. median home cost is 428k. a median salary after taxes can buy that if you save for twenty years.

this is why nobody is taking the job. it isn't paying shit. you'd have to at least double it.

Double it, or make the cost of housing cheaper.

I could build a small home for a few percent of that price, the trouble is that it wouldn't conform to all the green regs and the government would tear it down, then bill me for the cost of destroying me home.

@Eiregoat @beardalaxy @Nirty_Digger you'd probably need to do quite a lot more than double.

Eyeballing, median wage should be around 160k/yr at ten percent income taxes for the citizens to afford housing.

I think they are just permanently outpriced

@Eiregoat @Nirty_Digger @beardalaxy maybe there will be good new cheap home tech. There are some cool startups

@fluffy @beardalaxy @Eiregoat @Nirty_Digger they're trying to push "3D printed housing?!" as the new thing in architecture. Ofc only to build pods for bugmen amd immigrants.
https://yhoo.it/3OH3MLf

@Telvannichad @beardalaxy @Eiregoat @Nirty_Digger would you rather live in a pod or pay 50% of your income in rent

@fluffy @beardalaxy @Eiregoat @Nirty_Digger I live with family so I'm okay with no rent. Just so demoralising saving for a long while as the house prices only continue to rise.

@Telvannichad @beardalaxy @Eiregoat @Nirty_Digger it takes 20 years to save up for a median house and that's at today's prices. You either take a lot an and pay interest to the banker or take a lease and pay rent to the landlord.

This is the current situation for median salary men. You tell me if a pod is a step down

@fluffy @beardalaxy @Eiregoat @Nirty_Digger I'd have to think extremely carefully about it. It sounds like a poisoned chalice akin to the gov housing projects.

@Telvannichad @beardalaxy @Eiregoat @Nirty_Digger would you buy a trailer in a trailer park if they were selling for 20k

@fluffy @beardalaxy @Eiregoat @Nirty_Digger depends on how much land I get with it.

i wonder if those 3d printed houses will lease the land under it

@fluffy @beardalaxy @Eiregoat @Nirty_Digger "yeah you own the pod but the land itself is rented, this is to better supervise emissions and ensuring your pod is a Net Zero Pod (tm) "

it's just a rental agreement but you pay a huge deposit and all the maintenance fees

then again, this is not too different from renting property from the state

@fluffy @beardalaxy @Eiregoat @Nirty_Digger from what I'm been told gov flats are like that.

@fluffy @Telvannichad @Eiregoat @Nirty_Digger I was under the impression that it's been like that for a while. Nobody in my family has ever actually paid off a mortgage. Houses have been bought and then sold before being totally paid off. That includes my grandparents as well. My great grandma owned her house, but that house was from like 1930 and was built by her parents; she inherited it. Unless you really knew what you were doing and made a great amount of money with low expenses, a house could take anywhere from 15-30 years to totally pay off. I don't think that's a relatively new concept. Most people don't ever actually pay off their mortgage from what I understand, shit just gets refinanced or reversed or transferred to someone else. Hell, I bet most people never actually fully pay off their car before either selling it or totaling it... Let alone a house.

If you were to buy an older house around here, your loan would actually be cheaper than renting somewhere with equivalent statistics. Of course, there are downsides and upsides to doing that.

@fluffy @beardalaxy @Eiregoat @Nirty_Digger How about manofacturing cars without chips.
If you have to drive the car anyways, then why having tons of computer nonsense on it?

@fluffy @beardalaxy @Nirty_Digger "up to" $20/hr you mean

actual offer when they've got you in the interview: minimum wage + $1.00

@PhenomX6 @beardalaxy @Nirty_Digger kitchen staff at most midwest restaurants is $15/hour right now. They're kinda desperate for good help, and the current crop of teenagers would rather steal from a box store they work at then bust ass in a hot kitchen

@anornymorse @beardalaxy @Nirty_Digger little Caesars is hiring around here.

The application is a fucking pdf file you print out and there's no wages printed.

Don't work at a large franchise unless you intend to obstruct profit at every opportunity.

Go work at a local bakery or an italian restaurant. They're probably starved for kitchen help right now, and you'll be fed better.
@PhenomX6 @beardalaxy @Nirty_Digger

@anornymorse @beardalaxy @Nirty_Digger lol you can't find them when you live in a city and the Obama/Biden times and COVID raped small businesses.

@PhenomX6 @beardalaxy @Nirty_Digger You're so close. So close.

@anornymorse @beardalaxy @Nirty_Digger yep. I hate my town and the economy. If you weren't born with a dad driving a Tesla, working at png or ge, and going to the HIGH SCHOOL with $16k tuition, you're not gonna make it.

@PhenomX6 @beardalaxy @Nirty_Digger So, when are you moving to Wyoming, Idaho, Texas, Florida, South Dakota, or Nebraska?

@anornymorse @beardalaxy @Nirty_Digger I don't have money or connections to get a decent job, just online friends who live in another state and might not be my online friends if shit happens somehow.

@PhenomX6 @beardalaxy @Nirty_Digger then avoid franchises whenever you can, save money, and stop living in trash places because your friends and family were too dumb to leave.

You're so close to giving up babylon and moving on.
https://invidious.poast.org/watch?v=5UkQ4O7pBhk

@anornymorse @beardalaxy @Nirty_Digger in all seriousness now that I'm more awake I'll look around and see which restaurants are hiring. I might find something.

@PhenomX6 @beardalaxy @Nirty_Digger @anornymorse Do you have a pool party, or other group of vetted friends? What state?

@PhenomX6 @anornymorse @beardalaxy @Nirty_Digger What field are you looking for a job in and in what state

@PhenomX6 @beardalaxy @Nirty_Digger @anornymorse

Little Caesars makes food?

@anornymorse @PhenomX6 @beardalaxy @Nirty_Digger They'll just bring in a bunch of Meskins to do all the work and then you'll get more salmonella and hepatitis outbreaks

All the restaurants I'm seeing would rather close than do that. Too high a risk of health code violations, and vulnerability because the big chains want to muscle-out competitions using low-hanging fruit like immigrants brain-draining a kitchen for $2 an hour more.
@nigger_christ @PhenomX6 @beardalaxy @Nirty_Digger

@anornymorse @PhenomX6 @beardalaxy @Nirty_Digger The big companies do it then the small ones follow, soon every kitchen is Mexicanized

> Boots on the ground? Feh. No match for unwavering belief!
It must look positively frightening viewing this from the bottom-up.

If you haven't noticed, this great globo reset is seeing more pushback than they can handle. Entire crops are being lost as everyone keeps waking up. Part of this pushback is organization against the franchise stores, who are collapsing under worker apathy, and are now experiencing a 2-front war, which is what exhausted Hitler. We're currently experiencing a small business renaissance, but I don't think anyone realizes it yet.

@nigger_christ @PhenomX6 @beardalaxy @Nirty_Digger