Rev and chibi should stop talking about loli, their arguments are incredible retarded and honestly i hate how they use it to fuel the cultural war.
There are loli artist from all the political spectrum, is not a right or left thing.
@Yokappa I agree with this, it's not only that though, a lot of the arguments they make about loli are just flawed, loli being a body type is just one part of the whole thing, but it's still tied to age, although it's still in the realm of fantasy, it's more like ageplay/roleplay kind of thing.
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@Ice_Vmp @beardalaxy I used to believe that age makes the loli, too, but then I saw that the majority of Umihara Kawase doujins were lolicon despite the titular character being of age and having bazonkas
so now I think it's just about the cute factor, the cuter, the loli-er
@matana @beardalaxy because it's not the age that makes the loli, it's the body, cuteness, context, etc. mostly the body though.
The thing with the age is that lolicon will forever be tied to it, there's no real way to say age doesn't matter, because lolicon is still about young looking women and that's how it's different from just "petite" although it can be related.
So it's more about "relative age" not real age.
@Ice_Vmp @beardalaxy @Yokappa I prefer lolis that are precocious, street smart, mature and manipulative. I'm less attracted to them when they have a personality closer to an actual kid (usually).
It's definitely more about the body shape than the character specifically having to be a child to me at least.
Then again I'm cool with oppai loli, too. 
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@Ice_Vmp @beardalaxy @Yokappa I know that lolicon originated from "lolita complex", but insisting that people are in denial about their true feelings because you know the true origin of a word they use sounds like something a religious fundamentalist would do.
It's almost like you're calling them "loli infidels". lol
Look up the term "narcissism of small differences": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism_of_small_differences 2/2
@sunshineandlolipops @beardalaxy @Yokappa Nobody said they're in denial of anything, the attraction to lolis doesn't mean attraction to kids at all, it's a fictional thing in Japanese culture and the ones crossing the line are the ones fucking up the party for all of us.
@beardalaxy @Yokappa It's because what you're looking at isn't the actual age but the perceived age in what lolicon is as a fantasy, you want to perceive the character as a certain aged body type, that's why some of us consider "loli oppai" as something ridiculous.
In reality those rules rarely apply, that's why loli stays in fantasy but there's still a loli-type.