@cris1010 @beardalaxy since the hypervisor sits on a lower level (ring 0/-1) than the drm (ring 3 / user space) it can just lie that the drm checks got send and are valid when they actually never existed. the only way they could prevent this would be going ring 0/-1 too and requiring secureboot to prevent hypervisor and unsigned driver but from there last statement they won't. some more intrusive always online bs might also work.

@DarkMahesvara @beardalaxy I don't understand why that matters.
Unless I'm wrong, you can't bypass Denuvo just by changing how your PC looks, you also need a license (or I guess just a token from that license) to fool Denuvo.

@cris1010 @beardalaxy the license tokens used to spoof valid drm checks are actually real and pre generated so Irdeto could ban them but thats pointless since that would just prevent that specific token to be used again not the offline bypass.

https://habr.com/en/articles/1021894/

@cris1010 @beardalaxy even if the drm implements more checks like "get a new token every 10 minutes", since the hypervisor has complete control over the system and its state it can lie and never say it has been 10 minutes. i guess the drm could try to do some ultra esoteric shit like check the game progress but that can also be spoofed not to mention it would require a new drm build for each game unlike the current all fits one approach and potentially create issue with the game itself.

@DarkMahesvara @beardalaxy Yeah I get that, but my original question was: why don't they just check who bought the license and sue them?

@cris1010 @beardalaxy because they can't. you can buy a steam game with gift cards bought in cash/crypto and live in russia. good luck suing that lol

even if they aren't i don't think sharing a license key you legally bought with others is illegal in itself.

@DarkMahesvara @beardalaxy Ah, I forgot about the Steam gift cards

@cris1010 @beardalaxy i honestly doubt that's actually what most of these people do considering they are very active on shitcord. its unlikely Irdeto would try suing people that just share license keys since its not clearly against the law and would require getting private information from steam and payment providers which might refuse and would also just be more bad PR "denuvo drm doxxes gamer"

@DarkMahesvara @beardalaxy They already sued Voksi, so I'm pretty they don't care about that.

@cris1010 @beardalaxy there is a legal difference between cracking/drm breaking & distributing and sharing a license key. there is also nothing in it for them to sue random people that just share license keys unlike with suing the only guy who is cracking there drm. im sure they would sue denuvowo and other bypasser if they are stupid enough to get caught like Voksi.

@DarkMahesvara @beardalaxy True, but aren't they sharing software (Denuvo) already activated? Pretty sure the law isn't as oblivious with software and internet stuff as it was 10 years ago. It still depends on what country they're based of course.

@cris1010 @beardalaxy i would think at least in the US it would be protected by the first amendment since just sharing a license key is not circumventing DRM itself then again judges love there copycucking.

@DarkMahesvara @beardalaxy @cris1010 Couldn't they just get some guy to buy it in proxy in africa for the license keys required. Imagine how much effort it would take to sue the south african for sharing a denuvo license.