@tuxcrafting @hideki It's transphobic to call a transwoman gay or a crossdresser or a man, too. That doesn't make any of those terms inherently transphobic.

@galena @hideki that's what i'm saying

@tuxcrafting @galena yeah but noone uses trap to refer to a transgender people at least in the anime-otaku context which i the case.

@hideki @galena i have definitely seen some people in these kinda communities use trap as a pejorative for a trans woman but yeah it doesn't warrant a blanket ban

@tuxcrafting @hideki @galena

was trap ever really pejorative?

@orekix @tuxcrafting @galena @hideki In a lot of places yes, *but*, it's sort of a word I feel strongly about because a lot of the invective attached to it by certain people is just that, *attached*. To sort of turn around to another example, the word "Jew" isn't a slur, right? It's a sociocultural identifier for a group of people coined and adopted by said group themselves. But the way a real, *actual* antisemite says the word "Jew", the utter venom you can feel dripping through them saying it? At that point, who needs slurs! I feel similarly here.

@hideki @tuxcrafting The issue is that many people redefine all traps to be transgender. It's especially common with Felix and Lukako, and was pretty common with Astolfo too.