like your name and instance seems like something kitsune would have done, but I don't think i've seen anyone else on here link that twitter
@DetectiveHyde @feld @matrix @djsumdog @awg @dirb @xeno >I don't think i've seen anyone else on here link that twitter
Not sure why they would since that's my Twitter.
I setup a test server for a few days just to get a feel for how everything worked, what optimisations I could do, etc. before I put this domain in prod.
Then I was @gay@urmum.gq. I only got 1 follow tho.
@DetectiveHyde @feld @matrix @djsumdog @awg @dirb @xeno Well, I grew up on 4chan back in it's golden age.
4chan taught me how to churn out quality content at high rates. It also taught me how to not be in a perpetual state of butthurt.
I also look for quality domains to shitpost like https://Feminism.LGBT https://TrumpIsLoveTrumpIs.Life and https://FakeNewsWithTheJews.gq
As I said to someone about it when I was recounting those days, "because nothing mattered, EVERYTHING mattered." We actually became adept at creating our own meaning. "Nothing is sacred" quickly gave us our own sacred things.
How strange it was. People who started on social media can never get it.
@DetectiveHyde @feld @matrix @djsumdog @awg @dirb @xeno I feel like this is the reason I just can't relate to younger generations. The internet they grew up on is completely different than the internet I grew up on.
They complain about getting "bullied" online whereas I think I'm doing something wrong if I don't get called a faggot at least every once in a while.
@sjw
It's hard to break the conditioning since all mainstream places are sanitized and some people still want more. One of the reasons people go to Mastodon isn't because they can have fun, modern and uncensored Twitter. They go to Mastodon, because Twitter doesn't censor enough for their liking.
@DetectiveHyde @feld @djsumdog @awg @dirb @xeno
the problem is Those People tend to do shit like blind banning all .moe instances, or, my all-time 10/10 favorite, that time the admin of jorts.horse found out lain is a 14 year old anime girl so they assumed lets all love lain means lets all fugg lolis and banned lall without even talking to nik and essie about it.
everything would be fine if admins talked to each other; i dont think theres a single "problematic" realm with an asshole admin out there. even FSE, as abrasive as they can be, have @p the absolute cutie who's so kind and cool they make MRFs that exclude them from fse blocks. but on the other hand you get these power tripping assholes and i just wrote three paragraphs and yet im so sorry but im not going anywhere with this! i literally dont know what to do about it :NotLikeThis:
@xeno
I tend to agree, there are legitimate reasons for blocking an instance, but if you for example check out dzuk's blocklist you will find that most posts cited as reason for the listing are just opinions, jokes or run of the mill insults. Trying not to get blocked is worse than walking on egg shells. It's this culture in general that's pissing me off.
@feld @dirb @sjw @djsumdog @p @DetectiveHyde @awg
"It's this culture in general that's pissing me off." let me quote my post from earlier tonight: "arguing over censorship semantics is a spook. focus on the goddamn groupthink and dogpiling". it's 100% a problem with the culture and i'm getting tired by the censorship buzzword. crying it out every ten seconds won't get us anywhere
@xeno @feld @dirb @sjw @p @DetectiveHyde @awg @matrix I agree with being open about it; specifically if you have friends on an instance who suddenly can no longer see anything you say, and there's no warning to them from the admin about it. (I'm still sour about @cambrian_era, who didn't even fucking talk to me before banning me from her entire instance. She could have just muted me for herself and let others decide for themselves as well).
@xeno @feld @dirb@social.beepboop.ga @sjw @djsumdog@hitchhiker.social @p@freespeechextremist.com @DetectiveHyde @awg@pl.smuglo.li @matrix@gameliberty.club Hey pals, what's going on around here
@xeno @feld @dirb@social.beepboop.ga @sjw @djsumdog@hitchhiker.social @p@freespeechextremist.com @DetectiveHyde @awg@pl.smuglo.li @matrix@gameliberty.club Yeah i figured it was some people being angry about managing to get blocked.
@xeno @feld @dirb@social.beepboop.ga @sjw @djsumdog@hitchhiker.social @p@freespeechextremist.com @DetectiveHyde @awg@pl.smuglo.li @matrix@gameliberty.club lol seriously?
@xeno @feld @sjw @DetectiveHyde It's weird that you think it's, like, a personal thing since I don't think I have anyone on my personal blocks and don't think I've even muted anyone. But, like, I guess I don't see the benefit in letting people be dicks to my users.
@xeno @feld @sjw @DetectiveHyde But, like, at the end of the day I gotta make the call about which is better in the end. Telling people, "Wow, just uh, mute them and block them because someone else might be friends with people on shitpostloli.club" or whatever or letting those people use other instances.
i totally understand why you would defederate from realms that allow loli or something like FSE (although i have to point out that even on FSE there are people i adore!! even if they keep saying i deserve to be stoned for being a faggot, they're just so interesting) there has to be a better way, one that doesn't hurt federation.
@xeno @feld @DetectiveHyde @cambrian_era Are you saying you don't deserve to be stoned to death for being a faggot?
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@p @xeno @cambrian_era @DetectiveHyde @feld @dirb @djsumdog @awg @matrix TIL free speech = Nazism
@p @sjw @matrix @awg @djsumdog @dirb@social.beepboop.ga @feld @DetectiveHyde @cambrian_era @xeno
Would agree if it was about free speech - That people should not be arbitrarily persecuted by the state for shit they say or write. That shit must be well defined and minimal.
But in this case only the wording is bad. If You say:
"People who absurdly scream about freedom of speech when someone call a nazi a nazi are probably a nazi."
or
"People who scream about freedom speech when someone don't federate shit they don't like are probably a nazi or severely confused."
Then it would be just quite correct.
@DetectiveHyde @feld @p @matrix @djsumdog @LaH @awg @cambrian_era @dirb @xeno Who's post did I reply to?
@sjw @p @matrix @awg @djsumdog @feld @DetectiveHyde @cambrian_era @xeno @dirb@social.beepboop.ga
Judging from the first message in the thread one instance have blocked gameliberty dot club.
I don't give a shit. Any users on ether instance not happy can move. Anyone can say what they want, anyone who want can listen.
With all due respect, what you have written is a crock.
> That people should not be arbitrarily persecuted by the state for shit they say
State censorship is one form of censorship. It is legally prohibited in some countries, like the US. Prohibiting state censorship is excellent.
"Because it isn't mentioned in the First Amendment, censorship is legal as long as the state doesn't do it" is actually completely false. There's an entire body of law that contradicts this meme. I can explain if you like, but generally you are liable for what you control, a platform with editorial control is (legally and ethically) distinct from one without, and your ISP is a private company but cannot (legally) abridge your speech, and you can protest in Walmart's parking lot.
> People who absurdly scream about freedom of speech when someone call a nazi a nazi are probably a nazi.
It doesn't matter who made an argument. We figured this out long enough ago that we say "ad hominem" in Latin.
I'm sure you know as well as I do that people will call anyone a Nazi nowadays. Does it just take an accusation?
If that's really your argument, then you have failed to understand the devastating effects of McCarthyism, but McCarthyists tend to turn a blind eye to McCarthyism when their team does it.
> People who scream about freedom speech when someone don't federate shit they don't like are probably a nazi or severely confused.
And I think people who are authoritarian/paternalistic without transparency, or anyone who would support someone like that, have significant overlap with Nazis, no matter how little authority they actually have. I'd say that what you wrote sounds like something a Nazi would write. I don't know you, maybe you were drunk when you wrote it and you woke up thinking the same thing I'm thinking.
@chara @p @LaH @xeno @cambrian_era @DetectiveHyde @feld @djsumdog @awg @matrix I'm an SJW LGBT feminist :cirnoHeh:
@p @xeno @cambrian_era @DetectiveHyde @feld @djsumdog @awg @matrix @sjw
Damn, everything You don't like arn't automatically a violation of Your free speech.
If someone call someone a nazi they are *using* there right to free speech.
If that's any wrong it's in that case defamation, any rule against that is limiting free speech so should be kept at the bare minimum necessary.
'fediverse' is a set of independent moderated instances the federate voluntary. You can choose a instance or set up Your own and say what You want. So long all instances that *want* can federate with You no one is violating Your free speech rights.
Net-neutrality is a different thing but certainly important. Without it some instances might not be able to talk to Yours even if they want to. That at least making Your use of Your free speech harder.
Right to assembly, access to public space... Different thing but sometimes relatable (rules about graffiti and putting up posters for example).
Major threat against free speech right now is copyright. That limitation of free speech has gone totally overboard and EU have sinister plans :-( Also related to the disturbing trend to 'outsource' the execution of the rules to private actors to circumvent all due process standards.
Free speech is important. It is threatened. And goons that scream 'free speech' every time there gentle ego is bruised are annoying.
So are people that respond to the bull with 'free speech is bull'... But that just a frustrated response to the first group that *really* are a problem for anyone defending free speech.
> Damn, everything You don't like arn't automatically a violation of Your free speech.
Not the case I made. I'll shorten it for you: there are forms of censorship besides state censorship, some of that censorship is illegal, nearly all censorship is stupid, calling people "Nazis" hardly means anything now, and admins that carry out ideological censorship are baby fascists.
> If someone call someone a nazi they are *using* there right to free speech.
The point about McCarthyism wasn't that it was or should have been illegal to call people communists. The point was that the witch-hunts, secret blacklists, and inquisitions were destructive. It happened because "communist" became a scarlet letter, people were ready to believe anyone was a secret commie without evidence, and zealots were carrying pitchforks.
I don't have any urge to stop instances that choose not to federate. I do think they're incorrect, petit-Pétains with stupid ideas. I'd like to convince them to empower their users instead of restricting them. For practical reasons, I'm here because of SF-style censorship and soft-censorship (algorithmic curation, shadowbans, etc.), and I think if fedi turns into distributed Twitter/Gab like Eugen wants, it's got a worse chance.
Net Neutrality wasn't what I was talking about when I mentioned the ISPs. Even without NN, they can't ban opinions.
I think the EU's Article 13 is worse than removing NN. Part of the reason I'm running this server in the US is to help people get around laws like that. I'm onboard with most of what you said about copyright, though I think limited copyright is not going to kill speech. US and EU copyright systems have gone way too far.
It's irritating when people are wrong about free speech, sure. I'm more worried about people that don't care about speech.
@xeno @feld @dirb @sjw @p @DetectiveHyde @awg @cambrian_era @matrix It's kinda funny that she can't see the original message I sent because of her block, but can see the replies from other instances. It's interesting to look at the actual page for a status and see how it compares to your own view of the same status or even other people in the thread. Breaking federation splits the conversations.
well if you were still there, many of us here probably wouldn't be able to interact with you rn. so I'll still offer token thanks to shitty people who do good things in spite of themselves.
@matrix @DetectiveHyde @feld @djsumdog @awg @dirb @xeno >However most people actively avoid learning it.
Not much you can do about willful ignorance.