@submana Ever heard of trolling?

@matrix I hope you aren't assuming I take edgy shitposting as an actual representation of someone's viewpoint, yikes I'm not *that* retarded

@submana
Yes I am, because I've been there and done that.
She also never mentioned holocaust denial etc in that thread, only jokes. She never mentioned what her son believes, only what he finds funny.
Yes, the 14 year olds who believe the holocaust didn't happen exist, however I've never seen any evidence of it being wide spread or this "memes lead to X" actually happening.

@matrix For sure its not an undebatable fact that meme culture is "Alt RIghT prOPagANda", but its a relatively plausible hypothesis in my opinion.
Even if you don't agree, its not like she's calling for mass censorship in these tweets or anything, she's just asking parents to say "hey bud just making sure you know the holocaust actually happened yeah" as a precaution.

Surely that's not too wild?

@matrix Just clarifying myself, I don't think at all that memes turn kids into Nazis, I just think its possible that Nazis would, at some point, probably try to use memes as a way to get people on board.

@submana
Yes that's probably true in some capacity, but outside of shoty anecdotes I've never seen any proof of it happening on a significant scale or that it's being done through jokes. It's also something not unique to Nazism.
The way I interpret it, she isn't just asking parents to say "hey bud just making sure you know the holocaust actually happened yeah", but to actively police their child.

@matrix Internet culture on a broader scale than just memes has indisputably influenced several American mass shooters so far, so I don't think its that much of a stretch anymore. Too many idiots online on nu-/b/ who are too stupid to recognise irony, which is unfortunate, because people ruin fun things.
I don't entirely agree she's advocating for policing anything, just stalking the public end of their child's feeds. If she wants to monitor messages that's a bit fucked though.

@submana @matrix Turns out that criminalizing Holocaust denial in much of Europe only leads people to become more skeptical and disinclined to believe the official Narrative, who'd have thunk it.

@ChristiJunior @matrix Reach just a little harder so you can jerk me off

@submana @matrix You implying that it's not a plausible theory, unlike "Meme Culture is turning white boys into Nazis"?

@ChristiJunior @matrix Imo if (arguably) mentally sound adults can be convinced that vaccines are poison and the earth is flat, you can probably convince a child (born 70+ years too late to experience it) that the holocaust didn't happen
Why *would* banning holocaust denial cause people to doubt it happened? Why would the government lie about it? What benefit does that provide?

@submana @matrix
"Imo if (arguably) mentally sound adults can be convinced that vaccines are poison and the earth is flat"

..and that mentally ill men are actually women, that the two sexes are basically identical and interchangeable, that Islam is a religion of peace, and that opposing the 3rd world Invasion is "hate" - yeah, I guess I can see your point.

"Why *would* banning holocaust denial cause people to doubt it happened? Why would the government lie about it? What benefit does that provide?"

For starters, dropping a giant guilt trip on White people, delegitimizing nationalism and healthy in-group preference (aka "racism") in the process, not to mention setting up a slippery slope of censorship and restrictions on free speech that gives the government more power.

There are plenty of reasons why the kind of scumbags in charge of Western countries today benefit from exploiting Muh Holocaust. That doesn't mean it didn't happen, and I'm certainly not claiming that it didn't - I just don't give a shit, and reject that the idea that White countries today should commit National Suicide because Germany chimped out 75 years ago.

@ChristiJunior @matrix lol

@ChristiJunior @matrix Actually no I want to bite, what do you mean by Germany "chimping out 75 years ago"?

@submana @matrix Every streamer Discord I ever visited was as progressive and gay as the Fediverse, I wonder which Discords you are talking about. Especially since users being too edgy is grounds to have the whole server deleted.

@deadheat @matrix I don't really have dozens of examples to give to be honest as I don't spend *that* much time in them, but probably the most notable examples were Aztrosist and Pyrocynical, but maybes Discord's been cracking down super hard in the past year or so?

@submana @matrix You are telling me Pyrocynical, a very safe and pc channel of memes and bandwagoning whatever is popular at Youtube, has an audience of holocaust deniers? I mean, If you said Ice Poseidon I would find more likely, since they like being edgy and getting Ice in trouble, but this is not allowed on the platform anymore.

Yes, Discord has changed its terms of service for a while now, they delete servers where there is "hate speech" instead of only banning the user posting it. Twitch also does this and punish the channel for what users say in the chat. This made the creators themselves enforce super hard their channels and servers as safe spaces, since they are afraid of losing their income.

@deadheat @matrix Ah, I see! Thanks for letting me know.
I haven't really watched much of Ice Poseidon's content, but looking further that does seem like a good example.
I'm not trying to fearmonger though, I don't think any popular Twitch streamer advocates for or intentionally harbours any kind of hate speech on any of their platforms, but some of their communities are large and difficult to moderate.

@deadheat @matrix So, over time, I've encountered some people who don't quite get that things like holocaust denial are a joke. I don't think there's an "audience" of them though, that would imply there are great numbers of them, which there aren't (in my experience).

@submana Yeah that's because it didn't happen ð @matrix

@kakol @matrix ð