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we used to have more second-person pronouns. thee/thou/thy - nobody uses them anymore. is you/your that a fad? no, it's just how things work. workds can change
@FloatingGhost @Haibaner Words need to represent real things and concepts.
Selfie is pretty clear cut and developed naturally. thee/thou/thy are just forms of you and describe a relation between an individual and an object. you/your is also pretty clear cut as it is used to differentiate between me and everyone else. I wouldn't be surprised if some animals had me/mine and you/your.
“ze/zir” or “ey/em/eirs” mean nothing. They don't represent anything in the real world or relations between things. They are just an ego boost, a new dress.
I'd be completely fine with some people agreeing that some word means something as long as they won't force me to accept it and call me an offender for not using their made-up word
but apparently that's what's happening nowadays
you can't force linguistic change. you can try, but it won't work particuarly well. these people are offering new words that they'd like people to adopt to refer to them. whether that will work or not cannot be answered until it either disappears or enters common parlance
nobody forces me to but apparently people have a 'pronouns' section in their bio and will rant at me for not following it
@FloatingGhost @Haibaner Yes, words are what ever we agree, but they have absolutely no use if they don't describe something tangible and when even people who use them don't really know what they're outside of "welp, they are pronouns".
What purpose do they serve that he/she/they don't cover?
to show the individuality of a person duh
how about we use ipv6 addresses as pronouns? will probably make the same sense
is there any reason we couldn't use "he" for everyone? nope, not a single reason. language doesn't have to be logical or have one unique way of addressing each particular requirement
because that's what the tradition is - to call ships or whatever else she
that originated from the fact that they're usually operated by the male crews
and new pronouns are exactly what the tradition is not
@FloatingGhost @Haibaner Humans tend to personalize things to which they develop emotional connections. That's why they give them human pronouns.
I see budge, flat chest, smaller hips = he
I see tits, wider hips = she
I don't know = they -> ask if he or she
Tangible things that give me useful information. What information does ze convey?
@FloatingGhost @Haibaner This page essentially says that it means whatever.
"person who goes by "ze" could actually be a man, a woman, both, neither, or something else entirely"
https://www.mypronouns.org/ze-hir
well isn't it the exact same thing that I said earlier though?
singular they is further down the acceptance pipeline and is more likely to stick in common parlance. for every one word that actually sticks there are loads of others that don't - you're just getting to see the selection process this time around
then why 'invent' a new pronoun if you can just use 'they'? or be like everyone else and use the biological fucking gender? I don't see the point dude
(and "biological gender" is an oxymoron but whatever)
so you're saying that it's an oxymoron but you called me edgy when I said that there are only two genders? yeah I see.
you're going to extremes dude. why exist at all, yeah yeah yeah dude. yeah. yeah.
Words can also represent attitudes and moral judgements for instance, without referencing objects in the real world ("the king of france" anyone?)
there are people who have agreed that "ze" is the objective case of a word referring to someone based on another set of criteria