@matrix @Haibaner you know what other things were "fads" and are now accepted as 100% cromulent english? words like "selfie" which you don't question for a second now, but was labelled a fad when it emerged

we used to have more second-person pronouns. thee/thou/thy - nobody uses them anymore. is you/your that a fad? no, it's just how things work. workds can change

@FloatingGhost @Haibaner Words need to represent real things and concepts.
Selfie is pretty clear cut and developed naturally. thee/thou/thy are just forms of you and describe a relation between an individual and an object. you/your is also pretty clear cut as it is used to differentiate between me and everyone else. I wouldn't be surprised if some animals had me/mine and you/your.
“ze/zir” or “ey/em/eirs” mean nothing. They don't represent anything in the real world or relations between things. They are just an ego boost, a new dress.

@matrix @Haibaner i think you have a pretty backwards conception of how language works - words mean nothing intrinsically. "you" on its own means absolutely nothing. it's a set of squiggles. we have however agreed that "you" refers to one (or many) people secondary to the speaker, and "her" is the objective case of a word referring to someone (or something, since boats are called her, hence there's no biological link) based on another set of agreed criteria

there are people who have agreed that "ze" is the objective case of a word referring to someone based on another set of criteria

@FloatingGhost @Haibaner Yes, words are what ever we agree, but they have absolutely no use if they don't describe something tangible and when even people who use them don't really know what they're outside of "welp, they are pronouns".
What purpose do they serve that he/she/they don't cover?

@matrix @Haibaner what purpose does "he" cover that "she" doesn't? or vice versa? why are vehicles and... guns for some reason covered by "she" when they'd be adequately covered by "it"?

is there any reason we couldn't use "he" for everyone? nope, not a single reason. language doesn't have to be logical or have one unique way of addressing each particular requirement
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@FloatingGhost @Haibaner Humans tend to personalize things to which they develop emotional connections. That's why they give them human pronouns.

I see budge, flat chest, smaller hips = he
I see tits, wider hips = she
I don't know = they -> ask if he or she
Tangible things that give me useful information. What information does ze convey?

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@matrix @Haibaner maybe you should ask someone that uses it
i don't know people that actually use the pronoun, and it hasn't spread to my lexicon yet, so i can't answer

@FloatingGhost @Haibaner This page essentially says that it means whatever.
"person who goes by "ze" could actually be a man, a woman, both, neither, or something else entirely"
mypronouns.org/ze-hir

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