If diversity is a good thing, why was colonization bad?
@matrix I know it's a shitpost but it creates issues, can write more if you want my view.
@matrix Yes because Spanish colonization relied on amerindian support, there wasn't a single major conquest where there weren't amerindian auxiliaries, and probably the biggest difference was that the Spanish intermarried, the caste system was created and it lasted for a long time to leave preferences but overall that long period of intermarriage makes social cohesion much better than say the US.
@orekix I think that the Spanish colonization was worse as they went basically only after precious metals and the crown had a monopoly on trade with the colonies. The reason they intermarried was to insert themselves into the hierarchy of the natives to use them as slave labor.
@matrix Yeah they did use intermarriage to extract more labor from them but I was thinking more about how societies look today. There's still baggage left but I just feel like it's worse in the US with race relations.
@matrix to put it simply, you either learn to live with certain preferences among a bunch of people of different backgrounds living together or you do the following
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@orekix @matrix I wrote a lenghty post and Firefox mobile killed it :^)
Paraguay: the indigenous culture is very alive. I admire their use of Guaraní along with Spanish. I find it preferable to our (argentina) snob use of English words.
Argentina: North: Qoms (or as their cross-river neighbours derisively called them, Tobas) couldn't integrate for the most part. They have many problems and stigma associated nowadays. I was surprised when a girl I knew from university told me her grandmother was Qom.
Collas (traditional zone, close to the Chile-Arg-Bolivia corner) have one of the best situations I can think of. They take part of huge televised recitals around February. They might have took part of the first colonization trend that you were discussing unlike the Qom, who repelled settlers well into the XX century.
Being of mixed ancestry is normal from north-center to north-west, and aboriginal roots are not strange. Maybe the scorching sun and torrid northern wind makes us brothers in suffering. We are far from perfect but it's something.
What is strange is African people to be honest. Most seemed to have ended at Brazil and Uruguay when freed from slavery here, or something else that I'm not aware of happened.
Mid country (XIX century?) we had "The desert campaign", late colonialism which expanded the border towards the south. It was bloody.
And I'd like to honorifically mention the Ona people (Selknam), all the way to the southern end of the continent. They were hunted and exterminated like animals by British sheep farmers.
Paraguay: the indigenous culture is very alive. I admire their use of Guaraní along with Spanish. I find it preferable to our (argentina) snob use of English words.
Argentina: North: Qoms (or as their cross-river neighbours derisively called them, Tobas) couldn't integrate for the most part. They have many problems and stigma associated nowadays. I was surprised when a girl I knew from university told me her grandmother was Qom.
Collas (traditional zone, close to the Chile-Arg-Bolivia corner) have one of the best situations I can think of. They take part of huge televised recitals around February. They might have took part of the first colonization trend that you were discussing unlike the Qom, who repelled settlers well into the XX century.
Being of mixed ancestry is normal from north-center to north-west, and aboriginal roots are not strange. Maybe the scorching sun and torrid northern wind makes us brothers in suffering. We are far from perfect but it's something.
What is strange is African people to be honest. Most seemed to have ended at Brazil and Uruguay when freed from slavery here, or something else that I'm not aware of happened.
Mid country (XIX century?) we had "The desert campaign", late colonialism which expanded the border towards the south. It was bloody.
And I'd like to honorifically mention the Ona people (Selknam), all the way to the southern end of the continent. They were hunted and exterminated like animals by British sheep farmers.
@chuculate @matrix
I like Paraguay, I think they solved that problem of cultures meeting the best, most people grow with both languages.
> I find it preferable to our (argentina) snob use of English words.
there are people that say they would have preferred to be colonized by the UK,
>What is strange is African people to be honest. Most seemed to have ended at Brazil and Uruguay when freed from slavery here, or something else that I'm not aware of happened.
didn't Argentina have a campaign to kick them out? might be wrong
Honestly I hate that any sign of native culture here was wiped out, and it didn't happen during colonization period, it happened in 1932.
I like Paraguay, I think they solved that problem of cultures meeting the best, most people grow with both languages.
> I find it preferable to our (argentina) snob use of English words.
there are people that say they would have preferred to be colonized by the UK,
>What is strange is African people to be honest. Most seemed to have ended at Brazil and Uruguay when freed from slavery here, or something else that I'm not aware of happened.
didn't Argentina have a campaign to kick them out? might be wrong
Honestly I hate that any sign of native culture here was wiped out, and it didn't happen during colonization period, it happened in 1932.
@orekix @matrix
>there are people that say they would have preferred to be colonized by the UK
Kien lo dirhia? 🐒 Maybe we haven't in mind India, but after living through years of corruption and economic crisis, plus some disenchantment with our internal affairs after Independency and the perceived betrayal of our "Proceres" by the politicians they helped instaurate... we can dream about a different present.
>there are people that say they would have preferred to be colonized by the UK
Kien lo dirhia? 🐒 Maybe we haven't in mind India, but after living through years of corruption and economic crisis, plus some disenchantment with our internal affairs after Independency and the perceived betrayal of our "Proceres" by the politicians they helped instaurate... we can dream about a different present.
@orekix I'm going to ask though. Do you think that there's a significant difference between colonization by the Spanish empire and British empire?