- https://the-mad-pirate-prints.teemill.com/
@mrcum Must be using magic to make chest look bigger.
@finlaydag33k ...The sad sad moment when you recognize each of them without even thinking...
@otyugh Sad or just having a good taste?
(also yes, I could also recognize all of them without thinking)
@finlaydag33k I just feel very creepy being the only one I know IRL being that much "into it" to match me. I may know I'm not alone there, but it still feel very virtual (people on the internet aren't the most tangible).
Being alone on this, yeah. It does feel like a kink or a deviance, wether I intelectually disagree or not (also most anime being very macho, promoting ultra-conservative values, or very sexual doesn't help - sometimes I enjoy the art but end up disgusted by the story intent).
@otyugh I'm probably 1 out of 2 people I know that are capable or recognizing most of those 4.
Honestly, I don't care for "promoting ultra-conservative values" because it's not really "promoting" it ("displaying" and "promoting" isn't the same).
@finlaydag33k I kinda feel like it is ? Like, watching skinny girls all day at TV makes things to the brain and end up somehow reflected in the society ; watching very oriented stuff kinda twist the guts-feelings of the watcher even if intelectually you are very woke.
I'm pretty warry about that, I must say.
@otyugh If that'd be the logic, you can't watch *anything* without saying it's promoting something.
- A character smokes a lot? Must be promoting smoking.
- A character murders people? Must be promoting homicide.
- A character blows up an entire town? Must be promoting terrorism.
It's fine that you don't like certain genres but please don't hang a non-existent motive behind it.
I watch that shit all the time too but it doesn't twist my expectations of the real world.
@finlaydag33k Maybe it's just me, I'm from a social context where we are kinda political ? Like not conservative much. I feel like anime wasn't intended for my demographic who craves for anything {with an acceptable social and morals twist} somewhere. Anything which isn't ero-shit, mariage, elitism... Which we don't have often.
I think most anime I know have some rape culture embedded for instance. "She may says no at first but deep down, she adooores it".
@otyugh Nah, my circles are also very political, but we don't make anything political of our anime.
If that'd be the case, every movie, song or drawing would be political.
Literally no normal-ish anime has rape culture in it...
Certain types of hentai do but that's a different story.
If anything, most anime that are "overly-sexualized" have a dense af MC that gives 0 craps about banging chicks or just makes a major joke out of it like most people do.
@finlaydag33k I do feel like everything has something political to say. Especially stories like that.
Not in a bad way, in a good way - like it's one facette to explore, inbetween many.
Maybe a bit of illustration ; the last anime on air that I disgust/enjoy at the same time is Mushoku Tensei (ecchi and even gangbang party) or Idaten (featuring rape with violin and cartoonish underline) for instance. I like some part, I hate some others. Conflicted watching times !
@finlaydag33k And it's not about the acts themselves, I mean.
It's about how "they are just used to be gore/shock and we don't care much about it, lol". That's what I don't like, the trivialisation ? I feel a lot of "mature" anime do that, more than the usual stories.
@otyugh Mushoku Tensei was a masterpiece; but I never watched Idaten.
But no, just because something is displayed, doesn't mean it is a political statement or "promotion" of something.
I have the feeling you *really* are forcing yourself to see political statements when none really exists.
@finlaydag33k Well, any story is written and executted (with big teams of people for animes), discussing and making it together. Even the camera angle means a lot.
Values and idealogy is rampant in "human made stuff".
...Or don't you think ?
@finlaydag33k Anyway, sorry, I didn't mean to be that heavy.
@otyugh Or maybe someone just wrote a story and made it, instead of thinking much about the "political side"?
I mean, I used to write a lot of stuff set in the medieval era...
I had monarchs, slaves, elites, plunder, rape, torture and what not in it.
Did I promote *any* of it? Did I think it was fine that that shit happened?
No, I wrote it, because it was fitting for the story and setting it was in.
Are you being honest ? OF COURSE telling a rape story doesn't mean endorsing rape.
I'm not saying that the least. What kind of moron would say such a thing ?
But - how you portray it, how you'll use the element of the world you created in the storu.
Like if you'll just say "let's add a big boobs nympho to the group, it won't add anything to the story, but what the hell". It's not bad per-se. It personnaly just is kind of a sore in my eyes if it's just libido appeal X_X
@finlaydag33k Like I think Mushoku could have been way richer without all the ecchi stuff and pervert hero (and give him a real personality instead of a women craving puppet). The world could have been perverted and have impact on the story developement, and I would have no qualm.
But there, how it's portrayed, it kinda feels like "haha, this is a anti-hero : a jobless freak (japan hate that, and it shows even in the fatass depiction), in my paradisiac waifu-filled world, rolling around them".
@otyugh Mushoku is *literally* written around the entire premise of a perverted NEET...
Without the perverted hero, shit would be pretty boring...
Is is the fact that Rudeus is so perfertect that makes it a masterpiece.
@finlaydag33k Most of Rudeus challenge aren't related to his lust, thought ?
@finlaydag33k Did we watch the same show ? :D
@otyugh Clearly you haven't been watching the same show pretty much everyone else has seen.
Or read the source material for that matter...
@finlaydag33k Well I guess everyone has a different way to like things - I don't agree, but I'm glad you can like it this way.
I feel like such a convulated biggot from what you are saying ~ despite all, still an anime lover tho, so it's not too incorrect for me !
@otyugh Well... adding a big boob bimbo to the group literally has been dubbed "fan service" for a reason...
Nothing political about it.
@finlaydag33k To me "fan service" has an history, and it's about money and culture and... Politics.
You can disagree, again, I'm sorry to push it so much. Can't help it I'm convinced about what I'm convinced X_X
@otyugh Nah, honestly, you already have proven to me that you are just trying to look for back-stories that don't exist.
Fanservice is fanservice because it's what the fans want...
Of course it's about money, they are trying to run a business, not a charity :^)
