@mushroomfemboy Yep

@mushroomfemboy @matrix mainly, communists pretending that an objection like "heh, some guy wrote it 100 years ago" is objection #1 to communism, when it's more like #4322, quite a ways after "everywhere this book was taken seriously, tens of millions of people died and the book was ultimately departed from" vs. "everywhere this book was taken seriously, civilization was the comfiest on the planet, and those civilizations only started a suicidal decline after they departed from this book"

They may as well have said that people don't like communism because Marx isn't very attractive.

@apropos @matrix oh no, the Marx fanboys are here

@mushroomfemboy @matrix the thought process behind your comment:
1. wow, that's a lot of words. must be some lefty sperging
2. This last sentence is short, I'll read it by itself.
3. I have thoughts about this

@apropos @matrix nope, I read the whole thing

@mushroomfemboy @matrix a liar insisting that he's just really stupid, actually.

@apropos @matrix lmao

@apropos @matrix > "must be some lefty sperging"

> "everywhere this book was taken seriously, civilization was the comfiest on the planet, and those civilizations only started a suicidal decline after they departed from this book"

yup

@mushroomfemboy @matrix >have dumb take
>get called out on having obviously not even read the text
>insist "nuh uh, I read it"
>go back to text, tear it apart like a Latin sentence and paste pieces into Google Translate
>smugly return with original dumb take
you have successfully convinced me that you're really stupid, but you still haven't read what I said.

@apropos @matrix wow, someone's mad

@mangeurdenuage @matrix Why?

@applejack @matrix Spiritual vs political/social.
One can consider that there's little difference between them.
One is about faith in a spiritual entity (god for example) while the other one is belief/trust towards either a physical person or sets of rules or both (mao for example).

@mangeurdenuage @matrix Yeah, they're literally different things, but why are they meaningfully different here?

@applejack @matrix I don't understand your question.

@mangeurdenuage @matrix The point of the meme is that they're blind worship with a utopia as the reward

How are they different in a way that makes that untrue?

@applejack @mangeurdenuage @matrix Perfection cannot be achieved, that's why "utopian" is a pejorative.

Christianity doesn't attempt to establish a utopia in this reality, only using the promise of such to incentivize certain behavior, while communists actually think they can create perfection.

Hence the inevitable and stark difference in outcome.
One look at civilizations produced by Christianity, juxtaposed to those obliterated by communism, makes it pretty clear which is, or is not, a viable system of values with which to organize society.

@diresock @matrix @mangeurdenuage The meme doesn't specify that it has to be established in this reality for some reason

The utopia is the bait the faith is based on, that's the point

@applejack @matrix @mangeurdenuage That's why it's not a good meme, and as others have pointed out, it's also a self own.

@applejack @matrix
Oh yes blind worship always result in negative ending.

@mangeurdenuage @matrix True christianism has never been tried.

@mangeurdenuage
There is, but in practice they fade away. You end up with things like original sin, heresy, repentance, supernatural and so on.
Also Hegel was a religious man, so it makes sense ideologies who build on him bear some similarities with religion.