@lina Usually the aggressor gets more vitriol though

@matrix yea but if you look at it this way, libtards sided with ukraine all cuz it looks like russia's being a big mean bully who wants more land, without considering the objective part of the situation, like dropping propaganda from both sides, that innocent people are dying, getting wounded, cultural landmarks probably getting damaged or destroyed, buildings being damaged, etc. etc.
like if you consider all that, why would you view the whole conflict strictly in black and white when neither side's combatants wanted it

@lina Sure. It's unreasonable to hate Russia and it's army as a whole when some of it's soldiers graduated highschool last year.

@matrix yea, funnily enough ukraine supporters used the same exact argument for ukrainian soldiers, WHICH only brings my point even closer to home, both sides are more or less the same when you drop the political part of it, it's young men dying for bullshit, ignoring certain groups that probably enjoy war at this point

@matrix @lina consider the following: millions of dollars have gone in to psych warfare to figure out how to get the public to consent to wars.

@icedquinn
Seems like millions wasted. War is a natural part of territorial social creatures.
@lina

@matrix @icedquinn yeah, but said territorial social creatures must wage wars on their own interests, not the long nosed evil offshoot's

@lina @matrix well we also aren't keeping the spoils. that's another symptom of clownshit.

you kill, you conquer, you keep, you're the better warrior, glory, etc.

you're asking people to fight and die for no reason and for no reward based purely on nonexistent promises like "it's honorable to get slaughtered for Haliburton's profit margins"

@icedquinn @matrix they don't need the spoils, they'll gain more out of meaningless death than out of the spoils of war, simple as

@matrix @lina kind of. when you're asking an entire country to just stop what its doing and blow up another one--for literally no reason other than you just want it to--it's really hard.

people raiding or fighting old grudges yeah not so much.

@icedquinn
Sure. When people don't feel the need it's harder to find a reason
@lina