@matrix
Communist manifesto
1st point:

Communism is when gay

2nd:

Communism is when trans

@Spag
There's about 150 years of communist literature and "thinkers". You could try being a bit less disingenuous.

@matrix Lenin on "Imperialism"

1. Capitalism is when no gay rights and communism is when gay rights

2. Capitalism also when no trans rights, communism is when trans rights
@matrix

Chomsky (still alive btw)

1. Capitalism is when anti-gay makes pollution

2. Capitalism is also when anti-trans makes pollution

Or do you prefer Stalin?

1. Capitalism is when american hippies that don't make revolution

Mao:

Socialism is when the peasants are gay

Guevara:

Socialism is when africans are trans

Hoxha:

Socialism is when anti-stalinist gay people build bunkers for trans people

Posada:

Socialism is when trans communist aliens

Trotsky:

Socialism is when gay people kill cis people

Kropotkin:

Socialism is when gay people have bread

Seriously, tell me a single communist author who says "communism is when gay" and not "communism is when workers take their lifes into their own hands"

@Spag Basic proof of inteligence is being able to abstract. Communism like any ideology has certain axioms and their application yields certain results. You are stupid or disingenuous.
If you require the most basic level of reading to understand, here are some quotes from Wikipedia (since you probably read the first paragraph) on Marxism:
"Influenced by the thought of Karl Marx, Marxist sociology emerged in the late 19th and early 20th century. As well as Marx, Max Weber and Émile Durkheim are considered seminal influences in early sociology. The first Marxist school of sociology was known as Austro-Marxism, of which Carl Grünberg and Antonio Labriola were among its most notable members. During the 1940s, the Western Marxist school became accepted within Western academia, subsequently fracturing into several different perspectives such as the Frankfurt School or critical theory."
"Marxist aesthetics is a theory of aesthetics based on, or derived from, the theories of Karl Marx. It involves a dialectical and materialist, or dialectical materialist, approach to the application of Marxism to the cultural sphere, specifically areas related to taste such as art and beauty, among others. Marxists believe that economic and social conditions, and especially the class relations that derive from them, affect every aspect of an individual's life, from religious beliefs to legal systems to cultural frameworks. Some notable Marxist aestheticians include Anatoly Lunacharsky, Mikhail Lifshitz, William Morris, Theodor W. Adorno, Bertolt Brecht, Herbert Marcuse, Walter Benjamin, Antonio Gramsci, Georg Lukács, Ernst Fischer, Louis Althusser, Jacques Rancière, Maurice Merleau-Ponty, and Raymond Williams."
"Marxist education develops Marx's works and those of the movements he influenced in various ways. In addition to the educational psychology of Lev Vygotsky[62] and the pedagogy of Paulo Freire, Samuel Bowles and Herbert Gintis' Schooling in Capitalist America is a study of educational reform in the U.S. and its relationship to the reproduction of capitalism and the possibilities of utilizing its contradictions in the revolutionary movement. The work of Peter McLaren, especially since the turn of the 21st century, has further developed Marxist educational theory by developing revolutionary critical pedagogy,[63] as has the work of Glenn Rikowski,[64] Dave Hill,[65] and Paula Allman.[66] Other Marxists have analyzed the forms and pedagogical processes of capitalist and communist education, such as Tyson E. Lewis,[67] Noah De Lissovoy,[68] Gregory Bourassa,[69] and Derek R. Ford.[70] Curry Malott has developed a Marxist history of education in the U.S.[71] and Marvin Gettleman's examined the history of communist education.[72] Sandy Grande has synthesized Marxist educational theory with Indigenous pedagogy,[73] while other's like John Holt analyze adult education from a Marxist perspective.[74] Other developments include the educational aesthetics of Marxist education,[75] Marxist analyses of the role of fixed capital in capitalist education,[76] the educational psychology of capital,[77] the educational theory of Lenin,[78][79] and the pedagogical function of the Communist Party.[80][81] The latest field of research examines and develops Marxist pedagogy in the postdigital era.[82][83][84]"

@matrix
Are you for real

Ok

>Communism like any ideology has certain axioms and their application yields certain results
So tell me what he application of those ideas, to this day, meant for gay and trans people. More specifically, USSR China, Cuba and so on. While gay wasn't as repressed as in western countries, it still was and trans rights, just as in western countries, was unheard of to them at the time. Those are the literal applications of the ideas, that didn't concern much social life

That's not to say, however, that Marx and Engels, founders of modern communist, didn't say anything about social life and culture

What they said was, basically "as the conditions of the material life and needs of people change, culture and society will change. Such change should not be fought but embraced"
More specifically, they were in favor of women's rights and saw the current family structure as obsolete. They also said one's body is one's own.
That was it
That is all they said, in synthesis

>quotes from Wikipedia (since you probably read the first paragraph) on Marxism
Not only did I read all of that article, but I am rn reading the books and oh boy, wikipedia is wrong on many details

>Marxist aesthetics is a theory of aesthetics based on, or derived from, the theories of Karl Marx.

Quoting Britannica: An art of play will be the “free” art of the revolution, of humankind returned to social harmony, but only because play and labour will then be reunited and transcended. In place of their opposition will be a harmonious whole in which art is continuous with labour

Marxist aesthetics is, would you look at that, not only barely formed but about labor, as socialism is but a mode of production

>Marxist education develops Marx's works and those of the movements he influenced in various ways
Which ways?

>Paulo Freire
Having studied under the Paulo Freire system, as you yourself said (and as truly is) based on Marxism, it has nothing to do with gender


Lmao, you have no idea of what you're talking about

@Spag
>So tell me what he application of those ideas, to this day, meant for gay and trans people
The same it meant for the workers, nothing. They are just a means to an end.

You are about 100 years in the past.
Why didn't revolution happen in the west and why didn't USSR turn in to Real Communism :tm: ? Why was Marx wrong? Leftists asked those questions and came up with a few ideas as a cope while shifting away from Marx's "scientific" materialist approach:
The capitalists maintain a cultural hegemony that keeps the workers in a false consciousness and keeps them from enacting a revolution (family is a part of that). Then they realized that focusing on the workers is fruitless because they are in reality a conservative counter revolutionary force, so they shifted their attention first towards students and "ghetto population" and later started adding the various "oppressed" identities.
The woke aren't the Marxists of the late 19th/early 20th century. They are neo-marxists with postmodernism mixed in.
Shit like queer theory, offshoot of critical theory, a Marxist school of thought, are fairly new additions.

@matrix @Spag I don't know how you wouldn't end up with this when the entire fantasy is LITERALLY "remove hierarchy (inequality) and money and everything is nice and even and everyone shares and there's no crime somehow"

@matrix @Spag It's literally John Lenon Imagine tier "imagine no bad stuff", so of course you end up sucking cock like him

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