the truth is half the class of first year CS students change their major by midterms already

@Moon
What I find weird is that basics of programming is the first great filter, even at my previous uni where they teach it with Python and the hardest thing they want is text based tic-tac-toe.

@matrix the first group of people are the people who can't into loops, followed by recursion probably. also a lot of people suddenly realize it's not going to be "fun" like they thought.

@Moon
Nested loops can be a bitch, but I would assume that people who want to study CS have tried programming atleast once.

@matrix @Moon those who have can see through the bullshit of the average CS education, it doesn't take half a year to finish an introductory book, but there's a surprisingly many courses that will manage even less than that, because otherwise you filter off to many payers

if you can learn on your own, and you have to in the industry of ever moving goal posts, there's little to no point in paying for it
@matrix @Moon more like a free job with a shitty manager and deadlines, not worth the hassle unless you really need to kindergarten enterprise experience
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